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Witness describes explosions at North Tower

ergo said:
Well, again, you've already been proven wrong on that point, several times over.

I see absolutely no reason to question his account. He's much more credible than the likes of bee dunkers.
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Again, show us video which supports his description that CD explosions were going off "twenty stories below" the fires in rapid sequence floor by floor at the corner of either of the towers. Of course you have no such video. All you have is a shocked witness with poor depth perception who was looking up from the street under it as he describes and imagined the pancaking from a distant corner was occurring below the corner nearest him.

unless he can run a quarter mile in ten seconds to avoid the dust. it didn't happen and he wasn't where he alleges to have been
 
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Quiproquo said:
Watching the whole interview again I am forced to ask myself: is it bogus? :confused::confused::confused:
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7. Why so many edits to that short of a clip? It's YouTube, the poster could've presented the raw video, but apparently he only wants the audience to hear certain things, brevity is not a concern. That itself should send up a red flag.
 
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A few bizarre comments have been made in this thread, by quipro and others.

1) The video we are discussing has the spelling of the man's name right in the title. Why is everyone assuming it's some other spelling? Why also would you assume you can google someone's name and instantly get verification that they are who you think they are? :D

2) Lemos is obviously fairly dusty himself. You can see it on his face, his hands, his shirt. He also said he ran to get away from there.

3) There have been several new videos suddenly appearing without explanation as to where they came from, such as the newly revealed Mark Walsh as "man on the street"-oh-wait-no-he's-a-FOX-journalist. I am assuming that these are from the FOIA releases. There is no other explanation for their sudden appearance without any earlier versions.
 
It's interesting that Lemos' account of the sequential "boom-boom-boom-boom-boom" matches almost exactly that of the firefighters.
 
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triforcharity said:
ergo said:
There were gas lines in the Towers? :)

Anyway, your theory would suggest that we would hear bang-bang-bang types of explosions in every kind of building fire, especially those with only a few floors burning.
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Yes, and yes.
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By the way, Trifor, do you have a source for this? What was the gas for in the Towers?
 
Why is it that most truthers can't (or don't want to) understand that explosions do not necessarily mean explosives? I would describe the sound made by a sufficiently large object falling from a sufficiently high height as an explosion; it gets the intensity and duration of the sound across.
 
ergo said:
There have been several new videos suddenly appearing without explanation as to where they came from, such as the newly revealed Mark Walsh as "man on the street"-oh-wait-no-he's-a-FOX-journalist. I am assuming that these are from the FOIA releases. There is no other explanation for their sudden appearance without any earlier versions.
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Well, now you are being silly. The whole Mark Walsh thing was a cut down version of the original broadcast which stirred the Bee Hive of Bee Truthers into a serious case of the bed wetting, for no reason whatsoever.

But you are correct: Mark Walsh was a free lancer who worked for Fox who was interviewed on .... FOX.

duh-duh- DUUUUUHHNNNNN.

Great point. ^^rolls eyes^^
 
TheRedWorm said:
I would describe the sound made by a sufficiently large object falling from a sufficiently high height as an explosion; it gets the intensity and duration of the sound across.
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If you did, you'd probably be an idiot. I think people know the difference between those two sounds.
 
16.5 said:
Well, now you are being silly. The whole Mark Walsh thing was a cut down version of the original broadcast which stirred the Bee Hive of Bee Truthers into a serious case of the bed wetting, for no reason whatsoever.
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Well, then, why wasn't it debunked a long time ago? Why did it take nine years for someone to find the rest of that clip?
 
ergo said:
If you did, you'd probably be an idiot. I think people know the difference between those two sounds.
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Didn't at least one of the Ground Zero survivors say they heard what sounded like repeated explosions, then realised it was the sound of people hitting the ground after jumping from the upper storeys of the Twin Towers?

Dave
 
I think I've heard this from bee dunkers. What's the source again?
 
ergo said:
If you did, you'd probably be an idiot. I think people know the difference between those two sounds.
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I should have clarified; I would use a simile. But, for our edification, how would you describe a loud, sharp, and sudden sound of indeterminate origin?
 
ergo said:
Well, then, why wasn't it debunked a long time ago? Why did it take nine years for someone to find the rest of that clip?
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Ah, the old "We were too stupid to do our research and you didn't do it for us so that proves a conspiracy" argument. If it makes you feel any less stupid, David Ray Griffin used that one a couple of years ago when someone pointed out that the names of the hijackers actually did appear on the flight manifests. It's nice to see new artists covering the classics.

Dave
 


And I'll add, using the truther's criteria all of the bang sounds you hear in the footage are "planted explosives" designed to bring the building down. That's the only way explosions happen after all according to truthers. The witness even writes that the building was "exploding" in the video title.


Obviously a bomb was planted in this trucks' tire (2:45)
Explosions only happen when there are explosives present according to truthers


Obviously this small building was rigged with explosives. Boilers and transformers simply don't explode since according to truthers, only bombs can explode.

Man it looks like the government has been trying this stunt for a while on all sorts of buildings!
 
Dave Rogers, the clip finally identifying the "Harley" dude, the "man on the street" only appeared this year, as far as I know. Since it was a source of controversy, and since the only debunking done on that was to refute the rumour that he was actor Mark Humphreys, why wouldn't anyone have pointed his real identity out a long time ago? And why are all the clips with his true identity dated from this fall, 2010?
 
ergo said:
Dave Rogers, the clip finally identifying the "Harley" dude, the "man on the street" only appeared this year, as far as I know. Since it was a source of controversy, and since the only debunking done on that was to refute the rumour that he was actor Mark Humphreys, why wouldn't anyone have pointed his real identity out a long time ago? And why are all the clips with his true identity dated from this fall, 2010?
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I don't know why don't you ask the BeeTwoofer who chopped up the video in the first place?

Thanks.

/"source of controversy." Not from my standpoint, the whole BeeTwoofer theory on the Harley Man was a red herring manufactured by a BeeTwoofer to manipulate stupid people.
 
ergo said:
I think I've heard this from bee dunkers. What's the source again?
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Here are a couple.

Jeff Birnbaum, president of Broadway Electrical Supply Co.

“I decided to walk closer to the South Tower. I was about 100 feet from the South Tower looking up when the bodies started coming down. I counted 35. They were just piling up on the Marriott Marquis hotel. They were 10 to 15 thick piling up one after another. You could hear them hitting on the side streets. They were hitting cars, and there were lots of explosions.

“I have seen plenty of death in my life, and burned bodies and so forth, but this was incredible. As I was looking up, I saw a body coming down, hit a lamppost and explode like a paint ball.”
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http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/evidence/on_scene_lucy.htm

And so it went. In 9/11, the documentary extracted from videotape shot by French brothers Jules and Gedeon Naudet, the filmmakers included a sonic sampling of the booming, rattling explosions the jumpers made upon impact but edited out the most disturbing thing about the sounds: the sheer frequency with which they occurred.
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