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Wikileaks releases 250,000 US embassy docs......

andyandy

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The United States was catapulted into a worldwide diplomatic crisis today, with the leaking to the Guardian and other international media of more than 250,000 classified cables from its embassies, many sent as recently as February this year.

At the start of a series of daily extracts from the US embassy cables - many of which are designated "secret" – the Guardian can disclose that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN's leadership.

These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistlebowers' website, also reveal Washington's evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues.

These include a major shift in relations between China and North Korea, Pakistan's growing instability and details of clandestine US efforts to combat al-Qaida in Yemen.

Among scores of other disclosures that are likely to cause uproar, the cables detail:

• Grave fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme

• Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime.

• Devastating criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan.

• Claims of inappropriate behaviour by a member of the British royal family.

The US has particularly intimate dealings with Britain, and some of the dispatches from the London embassy in Grosvenor Square will make uncomfortable reading in Whitehall and Westminster. They range from serious political criticisms of David Cameron to requests for specific intelligence about individual MPs.

The cache of cables contains specific allegations of corruption and against foreign leaders, as well as harsh criticism by US embassy staff of their host governments, from tiny islands in the Caribbean to China and Russia.

The material includes a reference to Vladimir Putin as an "alpha-dog", Hamid Karzai as being "driven by paranoia" and Angela Merkel allegedly "avoids risk and is rarely creative". There is also a comparison between Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Adolf Hitler.

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Asked why such sensitive material was posted on a network accessible to thousands of government employees, the state department spokesman told the Guardian: "The 9/11 attacks and their aftermath revealed gaps in intra-governmental information sharing. Since the attacks of 9/11, the US government has taken significant steps to facilitate information sharing. These efforts were focused on giving diplomatic, military, law enforcement and intelligence specialists quicker and easier access to more data to more effectively do their jobs."

He added: "We have been taking aggressive action in recent weeks and months to enhance the security of our systems and to prevent the leak of information."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis

It raises more than a few questions - most pertinently perhaps what are the entire embassy records doing being available for download? And what repercussions will this have for global diplomacy?

Oh an wikileaks, a force for Good or for Evil? Discuss (again) :D
 
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.....interestingly the "UK" section of the database on the graniad only contains 3 items - i assume the UK press is currently exercising extreme caution with what they touch (a D notice was apparently issued by the government earlier this week to remind newsapers against publishing state-secrets.....)
 
Arab leaders urging war on Iran? That's going to go down very well in the Middle East.
 
.....interestingly the "UK" section of the database on the graniad only contains 3 items - i assume the UK press is currently exercising extreme caution with what they touch (a D notice was apparently issued by the government earlier this week to remind newsapers against publishing state-secrets.....)


Surely that only applies to UK state secrets.
 
Surely that only applies to UK state secrets.

Yes, i think so....this is what Mr Wiki says:

In Britain, the original D-Notice system was introduced in 1912, run as a voluntary system by a joint committee headed by an Assistant Secretary of the War Office and a representative of the Press Association.

D-Notices and DA-notices are merely a request and therefore not legally enforceable and consequently news editors can choose to ignore them without (in theory) official repercussions, although they are generally accepted by the media. In 1971 all existing D-Notices were cancelled and replaced by standing D-Notices that gave general guidance on what could be published and what could not, and what would require further advice from the secretary of the Defence, Press and Broadcasting Advisory Committee (DPBAC). In 1993 the notices were renamed DA-Notices.

As of 2008[update] there are five standing DA-Notices:[1]

* DA-Notice 01: Military Operations, Plans & Capabilities
* DA-Notice 02: Nuclear and Non-Nuclear Weapons and Equipment
* DA-Notice 03: Ciphers and Secure Communications
* DA-Notice 04: Sensitive Installations and Home Addresses
* DA-Notice 05: United Kingdom Security & Intelligence Special Services

On 8 April 2009 the Government issued a DA-Notice in relation to sensitive anti-terror documents photographed when Assistant-Commissioner Bob Quick arrived at Downing Street for talks about current intelligence.[2]

On 25 November 2010, the Government issued a DA-Notice (types 1 and 5) in relation to sensitive documents expected to be imminently released on the website WikiLeaks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DA-Notice
 
the leaks also report more Saudi donations to terrorist groups. and Chinese espionage against the USA.
 
I like this comment:

cynicalmonk
28 November 2010 6:18PM

WELL that is a surprise. I wonder how long it'll take for the truth about 9/11 to come out.
 
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Oh an wikileaks, a force for Good or for Evil? Discuss (again) :D

A force for anti-American propaganda. You can decide for yourself whether that's good or evil. But ever since their rebirth, they've basically abandoned their previous mission as a place where leakers from all over the world could safely leak sensitive information and become basically an exclusively US-focused enterprise.
 
China is spying on America...OMG who would have thought...I mean really?????
 
A force for anti-American propaganda. You can decide for yourself whether that's good or evil. But ever since their rebirth, they've basically abandoned their previous mission as a place where leakers from all over the world could safely leak sensitive information and become basically an exclusively US-focused enterprise.

I don't agree, what they recently revealed can be useful against rogue states, like the nuclear dealings between Iran and North Korea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/middleeast/29missiles.html?ref=middleeast

Hopefully, rational people will assess what is more dangerous between US spying on some diplomats and those two countries colluding and arming themselves.
 
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I don't agree, what they recently revealed can be useful against rogue states, like the nuclear dealings between Iran and North Korea.

An entirely incidental result from their point of view.

I'll change my mind once they do a document dump from Iran or North Korea. Hell, even a good document dump from Russia would convince me otherwise. But since their rebranding, the ONLY document dumps they've advertised are from the US.
 
An entirely incidental result from their point of view.

I'll change my mind once they do a document dump from Iran or North Korea. Hell, even a good document dump from Russia would convince me otherwise. But since their rebranding, the ONLY document dumps they've advertised are from the US.

If they did that their lives would really be in danger. It's so much easier to leak documents from a democracy than from real dictatorships.
 
An entirely incidental result from their point of view.

I'll change my mind once they do a document dump from Iran or North Korea. Hell, even a good document dump from Russia would convince me otherwise. But since their rebranding, the ONLY document dumps they've advertised are from the US.

Wikileaks stated recently that they would release a bunch of Russian documents in the near future (see here for example).

We'll see.
 
Is any of this stuff really surprising? My initial reaction was that everyone already knew those things that were supposed to cause an uproar.
 
Basically what I gathered from the Iran section is that if the world were the TV show "Oz," America is Chucky Pancamo, Iran is Dino Schiabetta, and the rest of the Arab world is Ryan O'Reily.
 

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