North Korea fires artillery on the South

[DC]

but please, present your peaceful solution to the problem.

 

[DC]

oh well i prefer watching American idols then, thats far better than watching North Korean Children starving.

 

[timhau]

And quit telling me I am "defending him"

We can also stop telling you that you're breathing or that you're posting on teh interweb. It changes nothing.

 

[timhau]

Hear it, DC! You're full of American propaganda and you received an American education.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Heyt, UWdude, I'm British.

Edited by jhunter1163: 

Edited for civility.

ETA: If it helps more, I rarely if ever listen to the vacuous pop culture news and I actively distrust most of our newspapers and tentatively accept most of a couple, understanding that they will embellish and spin to fit their own agendas while still reporting a core of facts.


I don't want a war, but if North Korea does, I say we give it to them, both barrels.

 

[DC]

So do I.



The point is, the brainwashing is there. Whether you succumbed to it or not in this instance is irrelevant.

but there is no anti NK propaganda at all. even my state TV news channel , so far i still got more information about that british guy planing to marry a woman, and only a bit news about NK. and my country would surely not support a war.
so your silly accusations you throw around you blindly, miserably fail.

 

[buka001]

Interisting how this discussion on North Korea's unprovoked attack on South Korea has devolved into an argument about American imperialism and the morality thereof.

I do agree that KJI building nuclear weapons is absurd and quite frankly crazy. The money and resources his country has piled into that venture could easily have been used to better the social and living conditions of his people.

The building of the weapons may be a strategic decision, but it is a selfish one, done by the governing elite to safegaurd their interests. It is quite evident that the needs of their population come second to their own.

The shelling of the island by North Korea is a step in the wrong direction. No clever leader would allow for such action unless they are seeking to push an aggresive political motivation. Yet, the consequances for this may be more dire than what was desired.

 

[timhau]

None of them. Propaganda is essential to the survival of any state. The best instance of propaganda not existing is in countries where mass media is not yet as widespread. But the higher the level of media inundation, the higher the level of brainwashing.

What is foolishness, is to believe it doesn't happen in your own country.

So, because nations often sping things in a way that is favorable to them, we're all North Korea, except maybe North Korea because everyone else says bad things about them.

 

[commandlinegamer]

That's an understatement. While the standing army is about 1.6 million, the Chinese could probably rustle up 100 million soldiers in six months (with a population of 1.3 billion from which to choose). Taiwan military is insignificant. Heck, the US military is nearly insignificant comparatively. We have better weapons and other military tech - but that's about it.

Technology aside, superior numbers do not guarantee a win, as the Russians found out in 1904/5 when the Japanese handed them their ass.

 

[dtugg]

How did a country like this get a hold of nuclear weapons in the first place? Are they that easy to develop?

Pretty much anybody with enough money can make an atomic bomb. This would include most states even backwards ones like NK. The technology required is over 65 years old; it is well understood. The only problem is getting/making the fissionable material which is where the money comes in.

 

[DC]

yet, they still have strong and disastrous opinions about foreign policy, and are easily driven to hatred of people who have never done anything to them at all. easily whipped up into war frenzies, even though some can't even point to the nation on a map.

How is this possible? how is it possible people who don't care about geopolitics, can so easily become interested and on the side of their national leaders? It is very rare, if unheard of in history, for a nation to from the start of a war, take the side of the nation it is invading. Why? Regardless of the justice, the peoples of a nation always take the side of their own leaders. This is clear proof of constant propaganda.

Where have you got your information from? That you are so convinced that a bloody war would be the best course? It certainly has not come from visiting the Koreas, has it? Nor has it come from having family over there, or any direct relationship, and yet, here you are, clamoring for the deaths of millions, based on an opinion based on what? Where did you get your information?

for example here

http://www.swiss-cooperation.admin.ch/northkorea/
http://www.amnesty.ch/de/laender/asien-pazifik/nordkorea

 

[Scott Haley]

U.S. needs Chinese investmen

That's making it more complicated than it needs to be. Obama calls up Beijing and points out that nobody in the world will invest in China's industrialization if they actively support NK aggression against SK. The US certainly won't. That's a lot of money to piss away, and they do need it.

You have that backwards. The United States government spends more money than it receives in taxes, and it makes up the difference by selling bonds to the Chinese government. If they stopped investing in America, it would cause us big problems.

 

[dtugg]

You have that backwards. The United States government spends more money than it receives in taxes, and it makes up the difference by selling bonds to the Chinese government. If they stopped investing in America, it would cause us big problems.

The Chinese hold only a small minority of the debt owed by the US government (like 6%) The majority is held by individuals/corporations within the US (my grandparents have hundreds of thousands worth). If China stopped buying US Treasury bonds, nothing would happen except that they would be sold to somebody else at maybe a slightly higher interest rate. If the US stopped buying cheap Chinese crap, it would seriously harm their economy.

 

[pipelineaudio]

That's an understatement. While the standing army is about 1.6 million, the Chinese could probably rustle up 100 million soldiers in six months (with a population of 1.3 billion from which to choose). Taiwan military is insignificant.

There's that small matter of the blue stuff in between red china and free china that blows the 3:1 rule out the window.

 

[dtugg]

There's that small matter of the blue stuff in between red china and free china that blows the 3:1 rule out the window.

And the USN CVBG(s) that would be in the middle.

 

[Cuddles]

Remain civil and on topic.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles

 

[Uzzy]

Meanwhile, two civilians were confirmed to have been killed in the attack. Source.

Is there a point at which we do something about NK, rather then sit around and condemn? Sinking ships wasn't it, nor does it seem that shelling civilians will trigger a response.

 

[WildCat]

Meanwhile, two civilians were confirmed to have been killed in the attack. Source.

Is there a point at which we do something about NK, rather then sit around and condemn? Sinking ships wasn't it, nor does it seem that shelling civilians will trigger a response.

For starters, the new nuke plant they're building could be turned into a pile of rubble.

 

[Soapy Sam]

That's making it more complicated than it needs to be. Obama calls up Beijing and points out that nobody in the world will invest in China's industrialization if they actively support NK aggression against SK. The US certainly won't. That's a lot of money to piss away, and they do need it.

Actually, if China decides to call in American debt, we will all be working in a laundry next year. A Chinese laundry.

The trouble with not buying "cheap Chines crap" is that it's no longer crap. Take a look at where your HP computer was made. Or most of your domestic electronics.

 

[dtugg]

Actually, if China decides to call in American debt, we will all be working in a laundry next year. A Chinese laundry.

Total US debt held by China: $850 billion. In the grand scheme of the things, not that much money.

The trouble with not buying "cheap Chines crap" is that it's no longer crap. Take a look at where your HP computer was made. Or most of your domestic electronics.

It is not as if there is anything made in China that could not be made in the USA or elsewhere. The only reason that it is made in China is because people there will work for next to nothing.