AGW indoctrination of LSU students

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http://vimeo.com/16896020

Astronomy professor indoctrinates students to the dangers of AGW.
(eta) I'm not sure how AGW politics and science relate to astronomy. Perhaps someone could enlighten me (us).

"Blood will be on your hands"

Is this appropriate?
Thoughts?
 
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What class is that?

EDIT: I got more information from Huffing Post article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/18/bradley-schaefer-lsu-prof_n_785272.html

I didn't watch the full clip that they have posted (I mean, it's an hour long), but I would certainly think there would be much more back and forth with conservative students, since he was doing a presentation about global warming and it is the conservative students that are more likely to throw challenges to it.
 
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What class is that?

This would seem to be an important question. Is global warming part of the curriculum for the class? Is this lecture given every session?

Either way, from what I saw things got way too political. Dividing students up and shouting rhetoric at the groups you disagree with is not appropriate for a professor.
 
I go to Texas A&M and AGW has been part of the curriculum in astronomy, oceanography, and biology.

A lot of universities are doing it now... its alarming really.
 
I go to Texas A&M and AGW has been part of the curriculum in astronomy, oceanography, and biology.

A lot of universities are doing it now... its alarming really.
Just curious. Why is it alarming?
 
I go to Texas A&M and AGW has been part of the curriculum in astronomy, oceanography, and biology.

A lot of universities are doing it now... its alarming really.

Alarmist
 
I go to Texas A&M and AGW has been part of the curriculum in astronomy, oceanography, and biology.

A lot of universities are doing it now... its alarming really.

Yeah, I hear they are also teaching alarming notions like evolution via natural selection, that the Earth is more than 6000 years old, and that madness isn't caused by demons...
 
I go to Texas A&M and AGW has been part of the curriculum in astronomy, oceanography, and biology.

The last two make sense. Astronomy maybe not so much, but it's probably in the name of making sure that your science graduates don't go out into the world and make complete asses of themselves. Nobody wants to study science at a university full of climate denialists.

<godwin>Just like nobody wants to study history at a university full of holocaust deniers.</godwin>
 
Apologies if this is not SI & CEs. Please move to appropriate place if wrong.

http://vimeo.com/16896020

Astronomy professor indoctrinates students to the dangers of AGW.
(eta) I'm not sure how AGW politics and science relate to astronomy. Perhaps someone could enlighten me (us).

"Blood will be on your hands"

Is this appropriate?
Thoughts?
A six word snippet is entirely insufficient. How about either a longer quote, or else indicate at what point in the video that we will find the comments in question?
 
I go to Texas A&M and AGW has been part of the curriculum in astronomy, oceanography, and biology.

A lot of universities are doing it now... its alarming really.
You are alarmed by universities that teach ... science?!? Hilarious!
 
Planetology. CO2 is important in understanding planetary atmospheres. Earth is a planet...

Not to mention the life and operations cycles of the sun, planetary orbital and axis factors, not to mention various other basic planetary science information like plate tectonics (though that might better be addressed by geology).
 
Tell that to Venus.



While it will take a while, AGW may increase the greenhouse effect past the tipping point.

Venuslike impacts are the result of several tipping points that we probably don't have to worry about with regards to AGW. Not that there aren't plenty of lesser points that we still face.
 
Not to mention the life and operations cycles of the sun, planetary orbital and axis factors, not to mention various other basic planetary science information like plate tectonics (though that might better be addressed by geology).


Thank you. I was going to say "why not astronomy? Sun, Earth, stars, planets...hello?"
:D
 
As an astronomy experiment I was involved in we tried(and failed) to measure the temperature of a specific layer of the earths atmosphere. See my professor studied micro meteors burning up in the atmosphere and wanted to get spectroscopic and radar data on them. the spectroscopic data would tell you about the composition and the radar data would say if they originated in the solar system or were part of the interstellar media.

So to get better composition data on interstellar micro meteors we measured part of the terrestrial atmosphere.

Astronomy is not all about stars, but also about other objects in space. So unless you reject the helio centric model it is applicable to this issue.
 
Well I went to a lecture just the other day at Harvard University's astonomy department that was held by a visiting top ranked astrophysicist, and in the lecture she did discuss about how her astonomy research has included aspects of global warming, so I think it's appropriate to teach it in an astronomy lecture.

However, I feel the professor acted inappropriately and unprofessionally. The whole "You have blood on your hands" thing really isn't appropriate classroom talk, not to mention it's simply not true. You don't need to believe in global warming or environmentalism to have a concept of responsible resource use. Up in New Hampshire, I've seen communities of global warming denying conservatives who live a far more environmentally friendly lifetyle- and pass this lifestyle along to their children, then the uber liberal upper middle class comunity I came from. This one place in particular I'™m thinking of has modest homes built by their owners from mostly reclaimed or recycled materials, and are made to be as energy efficient as popssible. They grow, raise, and hunt most of their own food, and live simple, low impact lifestyles. This isn't about environmentalism for them, it's about being as self sufficient as possible and about not wanting to waste resources so as to be more fiscally responsible. But the result is still and incredibly low impact way of life that they value and teach their children to value.
 
Apologies if this is not SI & CEs. Please move to appropriate place if wrong.

http://vimeo.com/16896020

Astronomy professor indoctrinates students to the dangers of AGW.
(eta) I'm not sure how AGW politics and science relate to astronomy. Perhaps someone could enlighten me (us).

"Blood will be on your hands"

Is this appropriate?
Thoughts?
I watched about three minutes of your link, and it was nothing but the rants of a crazy loon in front of a classroom.

It has no relation to astronomy, and no relation to a teaching process.

Yes astronomy has many interesting aspects that impinge on the temperature of planets. But they ARE NOT in this video. This video shows a classical attempted use of hot button emotional issues, stereotyping, and guilt to attempt to influence opinion.

In other words, it's classical propaganda (and poorly done to boot).
 
A six word snippet is entirely insufficient. How about either a longer quote, or else indicate at what point in the video that we will find the comments in question?

The short (1min 34sec) You Tube video that started this "outrage."



The full story.

The video phenomenon thrust Louisiana State into damage control mode Wednesday, as a conservative watchdog group – Campus Reform – released a clip that appeared to show a professor berating students for their views on global warming.

In a press release, the group selectively noted that Bradley Schaefer, a professor of physics and astronomy, had warned students who didn’t support government regulation of carbon emissions that “blood will be on your hands.” What the video and press release left out, however, were other provocative comments – found in a longer version of the video – Schaefer made toward students who supported regulation.

Bradley Schaefer... a professor of physics and astronomy at Louisiana State University at Baton Rouge, is captured in a video seeming to admonish students who don't favor regulating carbon emissions. The video, posted on a conservative website, was very selectively edited.

“You want to get rid of the internal combustion engine,” he said mockingly to self-identified liberals. “How many people are going to die with that? How are you going to feed the people in the cities?”

In an interview with Inside Higher Ed Wednesday, Schaefer described his induction into the professors-gone-wild club as "a setup.” He said he was recorded unknowingly by a person who wasn’t even enrolled in his class. And while Schaefer did divide students in the classroom based on their self-identified political views, he said he did so as part of an intellectual exercise. The idea was to place Schaefer in the role of an antagonist, forcing students of every political persuasion to defend their views on how to deal with climate change.

“I was challenging all sides,” he said. “I was presenting all sides, and in a case like that you can always edit out and make anyone say anything.”

Oddly enough, Campus Reform was in possession of the longer video that shows Schaefer attacking both sides. So what’s with the selective clips?

“There was no editing job done. It was made to take the nuts and bolts rather than watch the full 40-minute video,” said Bryan Bernys, spokesman for the group.

That last quote is an idiotic evasion. If you take a minute and a half clip from a forty minute video and present it out of context, that's editing. Those conservative students must to have gone to the Andrew Breitbart school of video "journalism."
 
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