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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Withnail1969 said:
May i ask if you've ever been to Britain, Machiavelli? I'm not trying to blow Britain's trumpet particularly (God knows the weather sucks) but i would say that our police force is more professional in every single detail than the Italian police.
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Have YOU ever been to Italy?

I dare say you are wrong!
 
odeed said:
Yes, I believe the that Dempsey's story of Knox, Sollecito and Lumumba being paraded/driven around Perugia on the 6th November to be false.

do you have any evidence to say it is true?
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Here's another source for that story:

"So what is the truth? Turn the clock back five months and the Italian police were so cock-a-hoop they were almost crowing.

It is November 6, four days after Meredith's body was discovered, and a ten-strong convoy of police cars, sirens blaring, blasts through the winding streets of Perugia.

Officers have spent the previous night interviewing their three prime suspects, Knox, Sollecito and bar owner Patrick Lumumba.

As they approach the police station, they extend their arms through the open windows and wave their fists in triumph at the crowd.

'It was an incredible sight,' said someone present on the day.

'I have seen the police behave like this only once before, and that was when they arrested one of the country's most notorious Mafia dons. They were celebrating, saying: "Look at us, look at what we have achieved."'

As the Press gathered, an officer stepped forward and uttered two words: 'Caso chiuso' - case closed.

'Good police work has cracked this case,' the city's police chief would later announce. 'The city of Perugia wanted a quick answer to this crime and although four days may not be quick, it was quick enough.'"

(I didn't say it was a quality source, but it has been popular with those who believe in guilt)
:)
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...dence-Meredith-murder-case.html#ixzz15iSrn1PC
 
Kaosium said:
Here's another source for that story:

"So what is the truth? Turn the clock back five months and the Italian police were so cock-a-hoop they were almost crowing.

It is November 6, four days after Meredith's body was discovered, and a ten-strong convoy of police cars, sirens blaring, blasts through the winding streets of Perugia.

Officers have spent the previous night interviewing their three prime suspects, Knox, Sollecito and bar owner Patrick Lumumba.
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So since the suspects were already in custody at the police station, why would the convoy of police cars need to drive through the narrow streets of Perugia... to the police station?
 
Fine said:
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Kermit,

Here's what Nick Pisa reported:

"Sollecito has always claimed to have been at home working on his computer the night Meredith was killed and today's hearing was to appoint independent technical experts to examine the PC's hard drive.

His lawyer Marco Brusco said at the end of the two hour hearng:"My client gave the court information on the computer, it actually belongs to his sister, but he told them the password and how to access the files." ( Nick Pisa )

For whatever reason, he'd been using his sister's computer since July.

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Thanks, Fine, for that information.
 
Kaosium said:
Here's another source for that story:

"So what is the truth? Turn the clock back five months and the Italian police were so cock-a-hoop they were almost crowing.

It is November 6, four days after Meredith's body was discovered, and a ten-strong convoy of police cars, sirens blaring, blasts through the winding streets of Perugia.

Officers have spent the previous night interviewing their three prime suspects, Knox, Sollecito and bar owner Patrick Lumumba.
As they approach the police station, they extend their arms through the open windows and wave their fists in triumph at the crowd.

'It was an incredible sight,' said someone present on the day.

'I have seen the police behave like this only once before, and that was when they arrested one of the country's most notorious Mafia dons. They were celebrating, saying: "Look at us, look at what we have achieved."'

As the Press gathered, an officer stepped forward and uttered two words: 'Caso chiuso' - case closed.

'Good police work has cracked this case,' the city's police chief would later announce. 'The city of Perugia wanted a quick answer to this crime and although four days may not be quick, it was quick enough.'"

(I didn't say it was a quality source, but it has been popular with those who believe in guilt)
:)
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...dence-Meredith-murder-case.html#ixzz15iSrn1PC
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Yeah, what a credible source. The previous night--- November 5--- Patrick wasn't interviewed by the cops. He was at home, sound asleep. This victory parade sounds like the convoy of police vehicles delivering Patrick to the police station shortly after his arrest, and prior to his interrogation.

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Exit, Stage Right (y rápido)

odeed said:
Yes, I believe the that Dempsey's story of Knox, Sollecito and Lumumba being paraded/driven around Perugia on the 6th November to be false.
do you have any evidence to say it is true?
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Kaosium said:
Here's another source for that story:

".... It is November 6, four days after Meredith's body was discovered, and a ten-strong convoy of police cars, sirens blaring, blasts through the winding streets of Perugia.

Officers have spent the previous night interviewing their three prime suspects, Knox, Sollecito and bar owner Patrick Lumumba.

As they approach the police station, they extend their arms through the open windows and wave their fists in triumph at the crowd."

(I didn't say it was a quality source, but it has been popular with those who believe in guilt)
:)
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...dence-Meredith-murder-case.html#ixzz15iSrn1PC
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So, you're saying that Candace Dempsey wrote that Amanda was questioned at police headquarters, packed into a police van, paraded around the winding streets of Perugia, then driven back to police headquarters?

I think that the "Amanda was paraded around Perugia", and "those bad bad policemen purposely took a long route with Amanda in the van so the people could see their prize" story can't even make the could-have-been-an-urban-legend category.
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This thread has gotten bogged down in irrelevant minutiae again, I think.
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Kevin, that's a typical FOAKer response (don't worry, I'm not saying you are a FOAKer) when they get caught out on some false accusation.
 
Fine said:
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Yeah, what a credible source. The previous night--- November 5--- Patrick wasn't interviewed by the cops. He was at home, sound asleep. This victory parade sounds like the convoy of police vehicles delivering Patrick to the police station shortly after his arrest, and prior to his interrogation.

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Didn't you just get done quoting Nick Pisa of that 'worthy' tabloid? ;)

Here's another one:

http://seattlest.com/2007/11/07/from_the_papers.php

"The source said: "The flat where Meredith was killed was full of evidence, there was blood, fingerprints and other bodily substances.

"It was obvious very quickly that those responsible were from a close circuit of friends and we were able to close in on them very quickly.

"The stories of those held just didn't add up and they kept changing. It was only a matter of time."

After Knox confessed, police raced to seize Sollecito and restaurant owner Lumumba, a married father of one who has lived in Perugia for more than a decade.

They were taken to the central police station in a ten-car convoy with sirens blaring. A short time later a press conference was called and an officer at the gates declared 'caso chiuso', which means case closed."
 
Kermit said:
So, you're saying that Candace Dempsey wrote that Amanda was questioned at police headquarters, packed into a police van, paraded around the winding streets of Perugia, then driven back to police headquarters?

I think that the "Amanda was paraded around Perugia", and "those bad bad policemen purposely took a long route with Amanda in the van so the people could see their prize" story can't even make the could-have-been-an-urban-legend category.

Kevin, that's a typical FOAKer response (don't worry, I'm not saying you are a FOAKer) when they get caught out on some false accusation.
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Whether or not all of the suspects were present in the triumphal procession isn't hugely relevant. It was still a triumphal procession followed by the announcement by the police that the case had been solved and the suspects were guilty.
 
Kermit said:
So, you're saying that Candace Dempsey wrote that Amanda was questioned at police headquarters, packed into a police van, paraded around the winding streets of Perugia, then driven back to police headquarters?
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Me? No, I'm just providing sources like someone asked.

Kermit said:
I think that the "Amanda was paraded around Perugia", and "those bad bad policemen purposely took a long route with Amanda in the van so the people could see their prize" story can't even make the could-have-been-an-urban-legend category.
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Dunno about 'long routes' but they must have been going somewhere.

Kinda sad these 'urban legends' can have three sources when the guilt argument struggles to find anything outside the occasional Daily Mail article these days, huh? :p

You know there's a reason for that...
 
Machiavelli said:
Nov 7. The journalist Carlo Bonini doesn't believe Amanda's accusation on Patrick, nor the police scenario, and he writes "Amanda is a liar":

http://www.repubblica.it/2007/11/sezioni/cronaca/perugia-uccisa/ricordo-amanda/ricordo-amanda.html
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It is interesting how the initial opinion of Matteini was stubbornly held on to throughout the case. Substitute Rudy for Patrick, adjust the TOD later, fix the wrong shoe problem, and somehow come up with a few cells of DNA.

Bonini again (Google translated)

http://translate.google.com/transla...isa2/bonini-editoriale/bonini-editoriale.html

Matteini pdf

http://download.repubblica.it/pdf/2007/ordinanza_perugia_meredith.pdf
 
Is this another of Candace Dempsey's sources????

Kaosium said:
Here's another one:

http://seattlest.com/2007/11/07/from_the_papers.php

".... After Knox confessed, police raced to seize Sollecito and restaurant owner Lumumba, a married father of one who has lived in Perugia for more than a decade.

They were taken to the central police station in a ten-car convoy with sirens blaring."
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Ummmm ... you still haven't found a citation for the parading around of Amanda through the streets of Perugia.

And, if you weren't aware, Sollecito was already in the police station in the next room. The police would not send a 10 car convoy to fetch him.

Are you aware if Candace Dempsey uses this sort of information as a source?

To be fair to the source, that article was written on November 7 ... in general we should be wary of information written in real time as events unfold, as the news is often incomplete or simply wrong. What you shouldn't do is write a book on such information (if Dempsey did indeed use it ... although she got the "parading Amanda through the streets of Perugia" business from somewhere .... Where indeed??? .... Or was it a "composite sketch" inspired by the work of Pulitzer Prize winner Janet Cooke?)
 
Candace Dempsey's book: 2nd Edition is Announced!!

Withnail1969 said:
Whether or not all of the suspects were present in the triumphal procession isn't hugely relevant.
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Well, as I understand (I haven't read the book), Candace Dempsey wrote that Amanda had been paraded about like a prize turkey, with the police taking a purposely circuitous, torturous route through the city.

And here in this discussion, LondonJohn (wherever he may actually be from), was making reference to this.

If such a reference is indeed in Candace's book, maybe someone close to her could ask her to update the next edition, together with other errata we discover.
 
Kermit said:
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Well, as I understand (I haven't read the book), Candace Dempsey wrote that Amanda had been paraded about like a prize turkey, with the police taking a purposely circuitous, torturous route through the city.

And here in this discussion, LondonJohn (wherever he may actually be from), was making reference to this.

If such a reference is indeed in Candace's book, maybe someone close to her could ask her to update the next edition, together with other errata we discover.
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See Kaosium's post above. It sounds like she was also there. i see no reason to doubt that the suspects were 'paraded' as it's been an Italian custom since Roman times. Of course in the past the suspects would have been executed after the parade was over. Metaphorically you could say that their chances of freedom were 'executed' after the announcement of their guilt.
 
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Withnail1969 said:
i see no reason to doubt that the suspects were 'paraded' as it's been an Italian custom since Roman times.
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Stop! Stop!! STOP!!!!

My screen is all covered with café con leche!! Where's a rag??

Oh come on, where's a good source (not Dempsey) that Amanda was paraded through the streets of Perugia on a purposefully circuitous route?
 
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