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Republicans value the rich more than jobless Americans

RAF beat me to it! The only NEWS here is that there are STILL morons who wholeheartedly belief the completely idiotic notions the GOP peddles when it comes to the economy. Of course there are still people who believe in ID so it shouldn't be that big a surprise.


The REAL surprise is the COMPLETE stupidity of the Dems and how they are responding to this issue. If I was Pelosi Obama and Dean, I would be flooding the airwaves with commercials saying


CALL THE GOP and tell them to STOP holding tax cuts for the middle class hostage to give TWO tax cuts for the stinking rich!
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101118/pl_nm/us_usa_congress_jobs

Hmm..it appears that the GOP is willing to increase the deficit, by insisting on tax cuts for the rich, but refuses to increase the deficit by extending unemployment benefits for millions of lower and middle-class Americans.

How's this work again?

Increasing unemployment benefits doesn't lead to increased economic growth (in fact, it does the opposite) whereas cuts to marginal tax rates do increase economic growth.

I personally think that the drag of our sovereign debt on the economy is greater than the potential growth we would gain with the tax cuts, but I've seen compelling arguments both ways.
 
Increasing unemployment benefits doesn't lead to increased economic growth (in fact, it does the opposite) whereas cuts to marginal tax rates do increase economic growth.

I personally think that the drag of our sovereign debt on the economy is greater than the potential growth we would gain with the tax cuts, but I've seen compelling arguments both ways.

No any thing that lowers taxes on the rich is because people hate the poor. It certainly cannot be because they believe it will stimulate the economy.


Here is another proposal to help the rich.
Obama Capital Investment Tax Break To Offer $150B Relief - Treasury
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101029-707591.html

Under this idea a rich business owner who can already writeoff over 750,000 in the first year of purchase instead of depreciating over its useful life could take an unlimited first year deduction.

Even more hurtful is taking away advanced earned income credit from people who truly needed it but that was done by President Obama and the democrats so it must have been ok.
 
No any thing that lowers taxes on the rich is because people hate the poor. It certainly cannot be because they believe it will stimulate the economy.
How much has it stimulated the economy over the past 6 years?
 
How much has it stimulated the economy over the past 6 years?

That would me more like the last 30 years since the Jelly Bean morons piss on the poor economics where the top 10% have quadrupled their wealth while the middle class have studily lost standard of living.
The wealthy haven't had such a low tax burden since the guilded age.
YET jobs have studily left this country and the only people who have benefited from this are the paper pushing wall street theives!


Just how long are people going to believe this bullsh8? This meme is beginning to rival the
ID movement in it's stupidity.
 
Increasing unemployment benefits doesn't lead to increased economic growth (in fact, it does the opposite) whereas cuts to marginal tax rates do increase economic growth.
The unemployed will be able to buy stuff. How doesn't that increase economic growth?

I personally think that the drag of our sovereign debt on the economy is greater than the potential growth we would gain with the tax cuts, but I've seen compelling arguments both ways.

Compare foreign interest payments to foreign trade deficit. Quite a bit of a difference. Either way, they get our dollars....which according to more conservative economists we shouldn't worry about because they will just have to turn around and use the dollars for direct investment in our economy.
 
No any thing that lowers taxes on the rich is because people hate the poor. It certainly cannot be because they believe it will stimulate the economy.

Awesome, a mind reader! I understand that there is some organization that will give you 1 million bucks for that sort of thing.
 
The unemployed will be able to buy stuff. How doesn't that increase economic growth?

Only because someone else is able to buy less. The government doesn't just snap its fingers and create wealth out of thin air. When people actually work, that is creating wealth.
 
Only because someone else is able to buy less. The government doesn't just snap its fingers and create wealth out of thin air. When people actually work, that is creating wealth.

That, of course, requires you to assume that the wealthy buy as much or more than the working class and poor. Who here wants to take bets that the wealthy got wealthy by saving most of their money rather than spending?
 
Yes. And in the process, fixed it.

Not really, no. The rich still keep a good chunk of change hidden away in savings accounts. In fact, the wealthy are more likely to invest in risky areas such as hedge funds and upstart businesses simply because they have more money. The wealthy piss away quite a large sum of money on failed businesses and bad investments every year. Do you honestly believe with those sorts of risky investing behavior that they don't save large sums of money?

And, for that matter, what's the conservative obsession with the wealthy? Do you believe that non-wealthy Americans don't invest? Why should we extend the Bush tax cuts (something I actually agree with) but tell the working class to go **** themselves by refusing them extended unemployment benefits?
 
Not really, no. The rich still keep a good chunk of change hidden away in savings accounts.

You mean savings accounts kept in banks, as deposits? The deposits that count towards a bank's reserve requirements, allowing them to loan out more money to the person who needs a loan to start a small business? The deposits wherein increasing supply reduces the price to borrow money, reducing the interest rates paid for that small business loan? Are you talking about those savings accounts?

In fact, the wealthy are more likely to invest in risky areas such as hedge funds and upstart businesses simply because they have more money. The wealthy piss away quite a large sum of money on failed businesses and bad investments every year.

You're talking about the high risk/high reward investments that, if they pan out, provide the major productivity gains, the major improvements in people's lives, and the greatest increases in wealth production. Companies like Google, Apple, and Microsoft (and many, many more) have vastly improved our lives in many ways. Or else money tossed down the toilet in some 'great idea' that wasn't really as great as investors thought. It's a good thing that 1) it's the people who have excess to their needs who are doing this type of investment in case the investment doesn't pan out, and 2) that we have people making these kinds of investments so that the big breakthroughs happen.

Do you honestly believe with those sorts of risky investing behavior that they don't save large sums of money?

I sure hope so. Think about it. We want capital investment to try to find new ways to solve problems and new ways to improve our lives, but that investment is risky. It is ideal for those who have excess to their means to be the ones funding those risky investments.

And, for that matter, what's the conservative obsession with the wealthy? Do you believe that non-wealthy Americans don't invest? Why should we extend the Bush tax cuts (something I actually agree with) but tell the working class to go **** themselves by refusing them extended unemployment benefits?

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding something. Conservatives aren't the ones obsessed with the rich. Many conservatives would be more than happy to treat the rich exactly the same as anyone else. You want to implement a tax code with no loopholes that taxes everyone equally as a percentage of income (what could possibly be more equal than that), most conservatives would be all for it. You want to drop all class warfare rhetoric, where the amount of money someone has saved or the level of their income is treated completely irrelevant to the judging the quality of their character, you won't hear any complaints from conservatives. No, it is the liberals who have a hardon for the rich. Liberals claim to love the poor (in a condescending way) and hate the rich. Conservatives simply don't see how a person's bank statement is in any way indicative of that person's character.

The problem conservatives have with unemployment benefits is the same problem they have with many other entitlements; an aversion to people living off of society if those people are able to support themselves. That's why conservatives don't generally mind unemployment benefits as a means to ease the shock of a job loss and to help ease the transition to a new job, but the longer those benefits are extended, the more uncomfortable conservatives get. We know that people, on average, don't try as hard to find a new job when they have UI benefits. We also know that they don't work as hard if they feel that they can fall back on them. (I just had a discussion not 3 hours ago in my living room with someone who works part time about how she isn't going to do something her manager wants her to do, and how she hopes, as a consequence, that they will lay her off so that she can collect her full unemployment benefits because she still has X thousand dollars to drawn upon.) It's always a balance between 1) providing a safety net for those who truly need it, and 2) allowing people to leech off of society and thereby reducing economic growth.
 
Many conservatives would be more than happy to treat the rich exactly the same as anyone else. You want to implement a tax code with no loopholes that taxes everyone equally as a percentage of income (what could possibly be more equal than that), most conservatives would be all for it.
You mean, treat capital gains just like any other source of income? I'd like to know who these "most conservatives" are.
 
Which is worse?

A) Liberal and rich

B) Conservative and rich

Which do you think there are more of?

A) Liberal and rich

B) Conservative and rich
 
Is your post?

A) Liberal and pointless

B) Conservative and pointless
 

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