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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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(looking over my shoulder) ... are you referring to me? I said that I have no better alternative to the Massei report.

Please explain this "ritualistic orgy". Can you tell me where you dug that up, and where it entered the trial?

I think that all readers of this fine forum are interested in hearing about this.

So you believe in a secular orgy, without Halloween rituals. I'm OK with it.
What about your belief AK and RS levitated around the murder room and got blood on their feet by some magical way. Do you renounce it too?
 
What is the reason that the phones were removed from the house and thrown away, and why couldn't that reason apply equally well to Guede as to Knox or Sollecito?
Read my prior post. My point is that Guede the Lone-Wolf-burglar-turned-murderer would not have had any personal knowledge or concern about Meredith to push him towards ditching the phones.

Amanda, knowing of Meredith's family calls, the upcoming birthday, her mother's health, etc. is more likely to see a need to ditch the phones and buy some time until she and RS can think straight.

Rudy ran out and never returned. He didn't need to return. He didn't need to buy time. Rudy didn't need to worry about the bathmat footprint (which I suspect wasn't there yet when he ran out).
 
Read my prior post. My point is that Guede the Lone-Wolf-burglar-turned-murderer would not have had any personal knowledge or concern about Meredith to push him towards ditching the phones.

Amanda, knowing of Meredith's family calls, the upcoming birthday, her mother's health, etc. is more likely to see a need to ditch the phones and buy some time until she and RS can think straight.

Rudy ran out and never returned. He didn't need to return. He didn't need to buy time. Rudy didn't need to worry about the bathmat footprint (which I suspect wasn't there yet when he ran out).

Throwing the phones away makes sense for either Rudy or Amanda/Raff. I think that's about all we can say on the topic. I'm quite sure that when Rudy was hanging out with the guys downstairs, they discussed Meredith and Amanda at some length, guys being guys.
 
I agree with you that cleaning only part of the print would be quite incredible, no matter who would be the cleaner.

But I cannot agree that it MUST have been cleaned up. There are various other possibilities. More probable possibilities. It's quite possible the bathmat didn't remain in the same position after Guede left the mark. As it was quite diluted and quite incomplete, it is questionable if the police recognized such a diluted stain as part of the bathmat mark. If they found it at all, as they shown they miss some more obvious prints, like the ones on the pillow. Moreover, many people went through that bathroom before any collection of evidence commenced - it could have contributed to the stain being not recognizable.

Such a scenario rings more true to me, than a scenario when someone purposefully cleans up only part of the print and leaves the rest.

As you see, this is not the way you can exclude Guede as a source of that mark.

BTW I think the bathmat was collected before any tests for residual blood were made in the bathroom. So the connection of any stain with the partial print would be even harder to made. I recall the photo of the "pink" bathroom and a comment that they botched that test, so no meaningful results were achieved. If the diluted stain was not visible, they lost the chance to discover it.

Also, even if he removed his shoes to wash them, why would he bother to also remove his socks?
 
Read my prior post.

I read your prior post. You said the reason was "quite likely what we're all saying." Then you went off on a tangent about what Guede would have known about or not known about and something to do with footprints (just like you did again).

So your theory of why Knox and Sollecito removed the phones from the house and throw them away is "to buy some time until they can think straight". How does taking the phones elsewhere buy them time? Please show your thinking here because I'm not following.
 
Read my prior post. My point is that Guede the Lone-Wolf-burglar-turned-murderer would not have had any personal knowledge or concern about Meredith to push him towards ditching the phones.

And maybe he, while being a poor criminal (as we agreed) simply came to his senses and get rid of the phones he just took without much pro criminal thinking or planning? I'd say it is possible and in fact probable that he thrown the phones out on the way to his place.

I must say I'm disappointed. Countering arguments from incredulity is so easy it's not even funny.
 
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Please explain this "ritualistic orgy". Can you tell me where you dug that up, and where it entered the trial?
So you believe in a secular orgy, without Halloween rituals. I'm OK with it.
I think you have to be careful about making statements which could confuse new readers who are learning about this case. You referred to a "ritualistic orgy" (I've seen that expression elsewheres too). But now you say there was no ritualistic orgy. (In fact, there was no orgy at all, as that implies Meredith's involvement)

Mary_H a few pages back called Mignini a "wino". I'm interested to know how the use of false terminology can influence new readers into incorrecting believing certain falsehoods, like Amanda being convicted for having participated in a "ritualistic orgy", or that Mignini is a "wino".

I'd like to see Mary_H clarify her use of the term "wino", as you have with "ritualistic orgy", either admitting that it is not correctly descriptive of Mignini, or giving us some data to support it.

What about your belief AK and RS levitated around the murder room and got blood on their feet by some magical way. Do you renounce it too?
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There you go again. Where in the world have I said that AK and RS know how to levitate. Ask Charlie Wilkes for examples of crime scenes where the murderers have left little physical evidence of movement in the room. RS's DNA on the bra clasp didn't get there through dust.
 
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I read your prior post. You said the reason was "quite likely what we're all saying." Then you went off on a tangent about what Guede would have known about or not known about and something to do with footprints (just like you did again).

So your theory of why Knox and Sollecito removed the phones from the house and throw them away is "to buy some time until they can think straight". How does taking the phones elsewhere buy them time? Please show your thinking here because I'm not following.

It potentially buys any killer of Meredith time because otherwise somebody could possibly come back to the cottage and hear Meredith's phones ringing. Turning the phones off could alert Meredith's familiy or friends that there was a problem.
 
Also, even if he removed his shoes to wash them, why would he bother to also remove his socks?
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I don't know. Maybe he's not that dumb to prefer walking home without socks or in wet socks when there's below 10 C outside. He already had to walk in wet pants.
 
I'm quite sure that when Rudy was hanging out with the guys downstairs, they discussed Meredith and Amanda at some length, guys being guys.
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In younger days, when I had guys-being-guys talks, I can't think of one occasion where I discussed the health of a girl's mother with a peripheral member of the group who probably wouldn't be too interested in listening to that sort of conversation anyway.

Maybe in this metro-sexual world in which we live, guys care a lot more for the family members of girls they know, and they go out of their way to discuss these concerns over a drink with the boys and other hangers-on. Maybe you're right.
 
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Maybe in this metro-sexual world in which we live, guys care a lot more for the family members of girls they know, and they go out of their way to discuss this concerns over a drink with the boys. Maybe you're right.

i wouldn't say it was such an unusual thing to bring up. maybe Meredith insisted on answering the phone during intimacy, for example.
 
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I've seen fat, bald men that look like him in clothing optional places. It's likely he's no champion.

If Frued were around, he might comment on Mag's motivation to persecute pretty young women.



Not sure you want to pursue that Freudian stuff too far ;)

It doesn't fly with the prosecutors or cops on the grounds its ridiculous and they are doing their jobs.

But closer to home the White Knights who want to rescue 'Amanda' - well, there might be something in that.

And I have to say I amazed at the prodigious output of some of the Foakers. And I'm typing with both hands.

In some quarters there is an inordinate amount of interest in the sex lives of AK & RS, not to mention the more dubious practice of luxuriating over imagined sexual assaults[that never took place] - the sordid reality of one that did isn't enough to satisfy some tastes apparently.
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Go for a walk

i wouldn't say it was such an unusual thing to bring up. maybe Meredith insisted on answering the phone during sex, for example.
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What the hell are you talking about?

Please refrain from bringing up baseless arguments which can only hurt Meredith's family.
 
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