Charles Rangel - Guilty.

BeAChooser said:
Sorry. I didn't mean to imply the Obama DOJ did that. I guess I need to be very careful with EVERYTHING I post around here. But that does raise a good point. Cunningham was indicted and punished by a Republican controlled DOJ (Bush's). Now wasn't that refreshing compared to what we all expect will happen under a democrat controlled DOJ to a democrat? :D
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Apparently you don't realize you have a reputation around here for just making things up, so pardon me if I agree with you that yes, you need to be very careful about what you post. That said, it could be that the Roberts court has made prosecutions just a little harder.

http://www.mainjustice.com/2010/06/24/supreme-court-limits-honest-services-law/

IANAL, though, but the Dukester was just far more brazen and had a much tougher time arguing he wasn't taking bribes.
 
Unabogie said:
Cunningham admitted to bribery.
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Which perhaps suggests Rangel isn't as honest. :D

Unabogie said:
I think Cunningham didn't just skirt the law.
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Neither did Rangel

For starters, he illegally used rent controlled apartments.

He didn't report income from an off shore house on his tax forms.

He pushed through a tax loophole for an oil-drilling company whose CEO pledged $1 million to a City College in his name.

He failed to disclose $1.3 million in income.

You or I do that and we would be in a jail cell next to Cunningham.

But a democrat during a democrat controlled administration?

Take a guess.
 
Unabogie said:
Apparently you don't realize you have a reputation around here for just making things up
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I don't make things up. I almost always source what I claim. Some of it may turn out to be wrong, but I always source it.

So whatever reputation you claim I have is obviously based on something other than the truth.

Unabogie said:
so pardon me if I agree with you that yes, you need to be very careful about what you post.
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And pardon me for giving you more credit to interpret what I wrote than I apparently should have given you.

I'll be sure to write to your level next time so that you won't have the opportunity to score some silly points. ;)
 
You just have to wonder what makes guys like Rangel and Mark Sanford keep on clinging desperately to office. Is it the money? It can't be pride, becuse they'd be respected much more for doing the honorable thing. Do they still have "promises" they have to keep to their financial backers? I guess I just don't understand the minds of politicians.
 
BeAChooser said:
But a democrat during a democrat controlled administration?

Take a guess.
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What's a "democrat controlled administration"? Is that like a Rethuglican, or a Teabagger, or a Republikkkon administration?

Or is it that in addition to making up lies about trips to India, you're not just innumerate, but also illiterate?

No matter, since your hypothetical Holder DOJ already prosecuted a Democrat.

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/in_william_jefferson_trial_bot.html
 
Thunder said:
Ford pardoned Nixon.
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And the democrat, Jerome M. Zeifman, who acted as Chief Counsel of the House Judiciary Committee at the time of the Nixon impeachment and who basically wrote the articles of impeachment against Nixon, is on the record saying that Bill Clinton's abuse of the IRS was far worse than Nixon's and he should have been impeached a second time for that alone. He also stated that Clinton should have been impeached a 3rd time on charges of bribery. Nuff' said. :D
 
BeAChooser said:
And the democrat, Jerome M. Zeifman, who acted as Chief Counsel of the House Judiciary Committee at the time of the Nixon impeachment and who basically wrote the articles of impeachment against Nixon, is on the record saying that Bill Clinton's abuse of the IRS was far worse than Nixon's and he should have been impeached a second time for that alone. He also stated that Clinton should have been impeached a 3rd time on charges of bribery. Nuff' said. :D
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How would he know?

Was he still working there all those decades later? Nope he retired from there in '74.

Did he still have friends working there all those decades later? Nearly 30 years later? Doubtful.

Did having that access previously give him eternal mystical insider knowledge?

Or was he perhaps just giving the opinion of one old man with no special inside knowledge and the use of his former title was to merely imply inside knowledge where none exists?
 
Tricky said:
You just have to wonder what makes guys like Rangel and Mark Sanford keep on clinging desperately to office. Is it the money? It can't be pride, becuse they'd be respected much more for doing the honorable thing. Do they still have "promises" they have to keep to their financial backers? I guess I just don't understand the minds of politicians.
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Ego. Politicians at their level are "important", people suck up to them, perks abound and they have influence. Hell, Bush admits he misses being pampered. I can see that it would become intoxicating and hard to give up.
 
I'm not sure what will happen to Rangel. I don't think they will throw him out. He got 86% of the vote two weeks ago. All the big shots went to his B-day party. I think it will take more than this to bring him down. Honor among thieves.
 
Tricky said:
You just have to wonder what makes guys like Rangel and Mark Sanford keep on clinging desperately to office. Is it the money? It can't be pride, becuse they'd be respected much more for doing the honorable thing. Do they still have "promises" they have to keep to their financial backers? I guess I just don't understand the minds of politicians.
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It could also be because they've been doing it so long that they don't know what else to do. That's why some people keep on teaching long after they should have retired - I've seen it.
 
What should happen: Rangel should get the Full Traficant; expulsion followed by criminal trial/prison.

What's almost certainly happening: Obama and other high-level Democrats are desperately begging him to resign and not spend the next two years sabotaging Obama's 2012 reelection bid.

What I think will happen: Rangel will make a big show out of fighting the charges, and right before Congress votes on expulsion/censure he'll decide to "spend more time with his family."
 
BeAChooser said:
I don't make things up. I almost always source what I claim. Some of it may turn out to be wrong, but I always source it.

So whatever reputation you claim I have is obviously based on something other than the truth.
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BeAChooser said:
And the democrat, Jerome M. Zeifman, who acted as Chief Counsel of the House Judiciary Committee at the time of the Nixon impeachment and who basically wrote the articles of impeachment against Nixon, is on the record saying that Bill Clinton's abuse of the IRS was far worse than Nixon's and he should have been impeached a second time for that alone. He also stated that Clinton should have been impeached a 3rd time on charges of bribery. Nuff' said. :D
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Yes, exactly Nuff’ said.
 
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