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kyra1985 said:
That was just my response to the "hits" that Charles had brought up in the beginning of the thread. It's an example from a fraud medium that I think help explains these readings that appear too coincidental to be fake.
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I see. Good point, but I think it goes beyond just good guesses--fraudulent psychics can be awfully good at starting off with guesses and then using cold readingWP techniques to embellish them until the subject is 100% convinced the psychic or medium is authentic.

And, now that I re-read my post, sorry if I came across a bit rude. Didn't mean to. Welcome to the forum. :)
 
If anyone believes anything that Charlie says contact me. I have a toll bridge over some prime Florida oceanfront property that I'd like to sell.

(the tolls alone will pay it off in the first year)
 
Agatha said:
Charles appears to be too busy to answer questions, so I had to google psychographed letters (the fifth result is this page of this thread) and that search gave me this: http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/spiritualism_in_brazil_alive_and_kicking/

It seems that psychographed letters are a kind of automatic writing, helped out by a good helping of hot reading.
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Xavier has been discredited, but his followers..perhaps like those of Sylvia Browne...are still staunch supporters.

It is remarkable what people can ignore in the spirit of ...what... pursuing a belief? Our stoically resolute "dlorde" is engaged in a most interesting thread on the PLF forum currently.

http://www.childpastlives.org/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=18414

These are the people that Charles holds in "highest esteem", and by the way he was logged in there today. I find the reasoning quite fascinating, though often a bit difficult to comprehend.
 
Also: Chico Xavier keeps getting brought up... particularly about all the great work he's done.

One undergrad Physics student in Brazil certainly didn't think it was that great in 2004 when he emailed this complaint about Xavier to Randi:

http://www.randi.org/jr/111904the.html

I'm writing you today to call your attention to the most abject news in Brazil regarding paranormal phenomena. You are probably familiar with Brazilian psychic Chico Xavier. Globo TV, a major TV network in Brazil, made a special show about his work "helping" with some murder trials. Well, apparently he "psycographed" (that's a literal translation from Portuguese, I don't know if it is the same way in English: it's how you refer to a letter from a spirit channeled by a psychic) the victim clearing the accused of any harmful intent. The problem is that the psycographed letters were admitted as evidence in court.

This has happened in at least three cases, where the defendant was cleared by the jury largely because of the letters. It gets worse: a recent Internet poll at Globo's website indicates that 77.5% of people think that this kind of psychic reading should be admitted as evidence in court.


I've spent some time researching online the case with Nunes/Henriques case, because that seems to be the one case that Xavier is really famous for... after all, he got an 'innocent' man acquitted, yes? Or, wait, the spirits spoke through him and got an 'innocent' man acquitted for murder...

The problem is that everything I find is the same old vague Spiritualist pablum that you see everywhere with no details about the case; or, the site is in Spanish and since I'm a moronic unilingual American, I can't speak Spanish.

Maybe someone can help me out, because I'm very interested in this case. Let me know if any of you can do a little translation for me and I'll be eternally grateful. :)
 
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Maybe someone can help me out, because I'm very interested in this case. Let me know if any of you can do a little translation for me and I'll be eternally grateful. :)
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Give us some links and perhaps Google translate can work it out, and I could improve a little between the lines. It is most likely Portuguese.
 
Charles Boden said:
To the best of my knowledge, it was Mary Campbell who married into the Stewarts of Appin. I would love to be able to find out more, but there are very few existing registries. IF John Stewart married Mary Campbell, it would probably have been at the Chruch of Lawers, of which no existing registries remain. This connection, seeing as there was no longer any nobility lineage to it, would not appear in the Burke's peerage, though John Stewart of Appin does, as does the info concerning the Lady of Lawers.
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Charles, you say that you've provided us with evidence. In fact you've shied away from answering questions about the very details on which the shaky edifice of your claim to royal descent is based. Two years ago you abandoned a completely different claim involving a different John Stewart, supposedly the son of the 5th Earl of Moray, when it was explained to you that he died without issue. If you're reading this I'd like you to come back and answer just three questions:

Where in Burke's Peerage is this John Stewart mentioned, other than as a son of Duncan Stewart who also died without issue?

On what evidence do you base your claim that Mary Campbell was the Lady of Lawers, and why didn't you mention it as a citation for the Wikipedia article? The folkloric versions of the tale I found on various websites disagree on her Christian name - some say this wasn't even known - but otherwise they all agree that she was a Stewart who married a man from the Campbell family. If you are unable to produce such evidence I'll just have to assume that you simply invented this spurious "link" to bolster your claim to royal descent. If Mary Campbell is mentioned in Burke's Peerage - I'll check tomorrow when I go to the library - I suspect it will simply be as a daughter of Sir James Campbell, Sheriff of Perthshire.

Finally, do you agree with Burke's Peerage that Janet Gordon was the daughter of the 3rd Earl of Huntly?

This whole genealogical mess was caused by the fact that you started out with a conclusion and then tortured the facts to fit it. We've seen this scenario over and over again - it's a woo favourite.

By the way, I hate to sound threatening but if you can't come up with a reliable source for your Lady of Lawers story by tomorrow evening I'm going to do a spot of editing myself. Of course, if you agree that the evidence doesn't stand up to scrutiny you could always remove the changes you made.
 
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Also: Chico Xavier keeps getting brought up... particularly about all the great work he's done.

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Since you're interested in Chico Xavier:

http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/spiritualism_in_brazil_alive_and_kicking/

“Workers from the Spiritist Center went to the line [of followers] to get details from the deceased. Or they used stories told by relatives in the letters where they asked for a meeting. The messages from Chico had this information,” Vieira revealed. That would explain his “psychographed” letters with details that “only the deceased had known.” More than cold reading, this was just plain hoaxing.
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By the way, if the sites are in Spanish, I'll be happy to help translate. As Olowkow points out, they are likely in Portuguese, but that is close enough to Spanish that I should be able to read most of it too.
 
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Olowkow said:
Xavier has been discredited, but his followers..perhaps like those of Sylvia Browne...are still staunch supporters.

It is remarkable what people can ignore in the spirit of ...what... pursuing a belief? Our stoically resolute "dlorde" is engaged in a most interesting thread on the PLF forum currently.

http://www.childpastlives.org/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=18414

These are the people that Charles holds in "highest esteem", and by the way he was logged in there today. I find the reasoning quite fascinating, though often a bit difficult to comprehend.
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oh snap. They're trying to regress dlorde! How awesome is that! Please, please let them do it dlorde.

It would be very interesting to me if YOU (Diorde) would be willing to be regressed at some point. I wonder what YOUR reaction would be if you came up with a life that could be traced and verified.
It could be a part of your investigation....grin.....BTW I wouldn't mention it over at your home site as they would surely believe you had lost your marbles....ha ha....It might be fun though....


ETA: Man, that Nighttrain over there is really REALLY angry at all of us. I forget sometimes how mad we make people. I think we're charming.

You have already made it very clear that your position is not to accept anything we offer unless it can be scientifically proven. And, my point is that science is very over-rated, because because no one can base their entire life on provable facts. There is just not enough information.

In the meantime, I would personally like the real members of this Forum to feel safe and free to post their ideas and questions, no matter how ignorant you may consider them. There are many more creative and positive ways to offer information, and if you read more of the posts with an open mind, you would be able to see.

Good bye!

Poor dlorde. Don't let them tear you down, man. You're doing a fine job. Clear, polite, kind. Seems like Florence is kinda listening to you.
 
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oh snap. They're trying to regress dlorde! How awesome is that! Please, please let them do it dlorde.

It would be very interesting to me if YOU (Diorde) would be willing to be regressed at some point. I wonder what YOUR reaction would be if you came up with a life that could be traced and verified.
It could be a part of your investigation....grin.....BTW I wouldn't mention it over at your home site as they would surely believe you had lost your marbles....ha ha....It might be fun though....
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I read this, too, and my first reaction was: Dlorde has lost his marbles! He'll lose his Skeptic Society Membership and his Close-Minded Scientists Against Cayce Lapel Pin.
 
Not to mention his regular paychecks from Big Pharma, the NWO, the Illuminati and those we are forbidden to name...I don't know about dlorde, but if it wasn't for my hush money I simply couldn't make ends meet.
 
FSM said:
Man, that Nighttrain over there is really REALLY angry at all of us.
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I believe he was the one that referred to the JREF forum as "that cesspool of skeptics" in the now-deleted thread where Charles first recounted his initial visits here.

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I forget sometimes how mad we make people. I think we're charming.
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I second that!*


*When we're not being dicks.;)
 
Agreed. I thought he needed to take a moment to re-read his Randi's Official Guide to Life and Being a Complete and Utter A-Hole by Ruining Everyone's Good Time.

Reviewing my copy of the book, I was saddened to learn we now have to shun dlorde. Strangely, though, the Marquis is still allowed in our Skeptics Club.(tm)



ETA: *I think we are either dickishly charming or charmingly dickish...
 
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