Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[quadraginta]

Since it appears that the EU has not elected to pursue any action related to this egregious violation of Knox and Sollecito's Human Rights under their charter it can only be concluded that they are also party to the conspiracy which has unjustly imprisoned these innocents.

The corruption is obviously not limited to Italy alone. All of Europe is clearly a judicial wasteland.

I can only assume Italy's justice system is clogged up with all the paperwork involved in releasing Mafia killers within 3 years, not to mention the exponential proliferation of 'calunnia' trials. That might explain the prima facie violations of Article 5 in this case.

Italy's bureaucratic constipation would not account for this stunning abrogation of responsibility by the European Union. Or, for that matter, by Condoleezza Rice, or Ronald Spogli. It is clear that the evil cabal intent upon these children's persecution has tentacles extending into the highest halls of power in every office in the world. Nowhere is free from their malevolent influences.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

house arrest

Upon reading it again I had to laugh when Mr. Sayagh suggested that Amanda could have been placed under house arrest rather than precautionary detention while totally ignoring the fact that she no longer had a "house" at that point.

How is this guy not on the Supreme Court?

Alt+F4,

You might check one of Frank's posts that touched on the subject of house arrest. I know it sounds a little odd, but I seem to recall someone suggesting that she could be held under house arrest in a convent. Sorry, but I can't find a citation for this.

 

[RoseMontague]

Didn't Rudy receive "points" for "apologizing?"

He had no reduction at the first trial (30 years), which would be 20 after his ⅓ reduction for fast track. Mignini did not appeal as he got the maximum sentence. The appeal court actually awarded the 6 year mitigation reduction (the same as Amanda and Raffaele got in the first trial) for the apology and hard childhood reducing the sentence to 24 years which would be 16 after the ⅓ reduction for taking the fast track. I don't believe at this stage Mignini can appeal the appeal courts reduction to the supreme court, that is something that Machiavelli might could answer for us.

 

[Withnail1969]

Italy's bureaucratic constipation would not account for this stunning abrogation of responsibility by the European Union. Or, for that matter, by Condoleezza Rice, or Ronald Spogli. It is clear that the evil cabal intent upon these children's persecution has tentacles extending into the highest halls of power in every office in the world. Nowhere is free from their malevolent influences.

If only Amanda had been a Mafia killer with a few murders to her name. Her human rights would have been respected and she would by now be a free woman.

 

[Alt+F4]

You mentioned that she seemed happy to stay with him, but he was planning to move back south, IIRC. So she would need a place to live in order to continue studying.

It doesn't seem like finding student housing was a difficult thing to do in Perugia. She didn't seemed to worried about finding a place to live, she is concerned as to being able to continue studying in Perugia. Why?

 

[Withnail1969]

Alt+F4,

You might check one of Frank's posts that touched on the subject of house arrest. I know it sounds a little odd, but I seem to recall someone suggesting that she could be held under house arrest in a convent. Sorry, but I can't find a citation for this.

i understand her family offered to get accomodation for her.

 

[Kaosium]

Italy's bureaucratic constipation would not account for this stunning abrogation of responsibility by the European Union. Or, for that matter, by Condoleezza Rice, or Ronald Spogli. It is clear that the evil cabal intent upon these children's persecution has tentacles extending into the highest halls of power in every office in the world. Nowhere is free from their malevolent influences.

Or they could be waiting until the end of the process, as they're still considered innocent under Italian law.

I imagine if both appeals fail then someone might be interested.

 

[quadraginta]

Alt+F4,

You might check one of Frank's posts that touched on the subject of house arrest. I know it sounds a little odd, but I seem to recall someone suggesting that she could be held under house arrest in a convent. Sorry, but I can't find a citation for this.

I shall demur from availing myself of the many comedic opportunities this factoid lends itself to, but I do sincerely want to thank you for the conjectures it provokes.

Title for a Knox movie. The Trouble with Angel Faces.

 

[Withnail1969]

Or they could be waiting until the end of the process, as they're still considered innocent under Italian law.

I imagine if both appeals fail then someone might be interested.

They should have been released on house arrest under the supervision of their families, but of course Mignini et al told the ludicrous lie that they were likely to run rampant through Perugia on a killing spree. Amazing how Raffaele managed to live for years in Perugia without killing anyone.

 

[Alt+F4]

Alt+F4,

You might check one of Frank's posts that touched on the subject of house arrest. I know it sounds a little odd, but I seem to recall someone suggesting that she could be held under house arrest in a convent. Sorry, but I can't find a citation for this.

Oh noes! Three years in a convent and she probably would have become a nun and then Justianian2 would have a total freak out.

I guess house arrest in a convent in Italy isn't totally unbelievable but really, is that much better than prison?

 

[platonov]

<snip>

I find the idea funny that their alibi could be broken if it turned out there was proof they were where they said they were, but along with the smoking and the sex it appears one of them was on the computer too often. How will it be proven that with a hottie like Amanda that Raffaele definitely could have lasted longer than five minutes?

This [and all the other erotic speculation] seems irrelevant as the screensaver/continuous human interaction for 12 hrs thing appears to be the nonsense.
Time will tell but I seriously doubt this is what the defence is suggesting !

They [RS' defence] instead appear to be grasping at straws or trying to muddy the waters as regards the computer records in this regard.


On the latter...
Theoretically one could find a number of creepy computer guys who think Knox is a 'hottie' and (prison authorities allowing) do an experiment ; But the results would have to be adjusted for age - RS was only in his 20's !

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[Machiavelli]

When you write, "the fact the two suspect lied and claimed a different alibi," I assume you are referring to what they told the police during their interrogations.

Why don't you see their interrogations as coercive?

I am referring to their whole position - the whole set of what they claim. What they told to the police, what they told to judges, and decisions to not declare and to not change things they said. This is also including Raffaele's decision to decline the interrogation with the magistrate to which he was entitled to, on the grounds (defence position) that Sollecito "had cleared completely his recolletion of facts". What he said was the best expression of his truth: by the defence this was his position.
In additin, I also consider Sollecito's diary.

 

[quadraginta]

Or they could be waiting until the end of the process, as they're still considered innocent under Italian law.

I imagine if both appeals fail then someone might be interested.

The alleged EU Human Rights violation of incarceration without charges is an issue which stands separate from the question of their guilt or innocence. Why would the resolution of this trial be germane? If they were confined improperly then they were confined improperly.

 

[platonov]

Oh noes! Three years in a convent and she probably would have become a nun and then Justianian2 would have a total freak out.

I guess house arrest in a convent in Italy isn't totally unbelievable but really, is that much better than prison?

I suspect the next 5 pages might produce some 'ideas' - you may regret
having brought it up.

ETA I see it wasnt you - apols.

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[quadraginta]

Oh noes! Three years in a convent and she probably would have become a nun and then Justianian2 would have a total freak out.

I guess house arrest in a convent in Italy isn't totally unbelievable but really, is that much better than prison?

Maybe the singing would be better?

How Do You Solve a Problem Like Amanda?

 

[Mary_H]

I shall demur from availing myself of the many comedic opportunities this factoid lends itself to, but I do sincerely want to thank you for the conjectures it provokes.

Title for a Knox movie. The Trouble with Angel Faces.

Good one.

How Do You Solve a Problem Like Amanda? Also good.

 

[Kaosium]

This [and all the other erotic speculation] seems irrelevant as the screensaver/continuous human interaction for 12 hrs thing appears to be the nonsense.
Time will tell but I seriously doubt this is what the defence is suggesting !

They [RS' defence] instead appear to be grasping at straws or trying to muddy the waters as regards the computer records in this regard.

We will see, however as I noted even if the gap is only six minutes the prosecution will probably argue that leaves three minutes for the murder, longer if they run.

On the latter...
Theoretically one could find a number of creepy computer guys who think Knox is a 'hottie' and (prison authorities allowing) do an experiment ; But the results would have to be adjusted for age - RS was only in his 20's !

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Are you volunteering then?

 

[Kaosium]

The alleged EU Human Rights violation of incarceration without charges is an issue which stands separate from the question of their guilt or innocence. Why would the resolution of this trial be germane? If they were confined improperly then they were confined improperly.

Ah, OK, I'd forgotten that was specifically what was being discussed.

Perhaps they don't take those Human Rights declarations very seriously then. Kinda like the vast majority of the world and the UN.

 

[Withnail1969]

Good one.

How Do You Solve a Problem Like Amanda? Also good.

'Footprints on bathmats and bloodstains on bidets...

These are a few of my favourite things...'

 

[platonov]

We will see, however as I noted even if the gap is only six minutes the prosecution will probably argue that leaves three minutes for the murder, longer if they run.


Are you volunteering then?

Me, hardly.

I fail to see the attraction of the whole [unavailable] 'convicted sex killer' thing.

But tastes vary apparently - no doubt Rose West had her fans too.

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