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The Great Thermate Debate

thecritta;6542501]What about the massive hole that he made in the steel beam it looks
very similar in appearance to the steel that was found from the wtc with the swiss cheese type apearance why dont you guys try explaining that?
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He made one hole.....to bring down the towers (without plane and fire) would have taken hundreds of devices and yet only one piece of CORRODED steel was found.....how come? There should have been hundreds of these......

Let me guess your just going to deny that it looks similar it really is a waste of
time posting here, JREFS will never admit to anything.
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Looking similar and being the same are not the same thing thing :)
 
bump for red ibis

how does he think they gained access to all those hundreds of bolt tightening holes? Why were not steel thermite devices found in the holes and no columns found with any damage similar to what he shows, how did they fuse the devices, why were no fuse components found? how did they get the aircraft to crash into exactly the right place as they had wired up or do you imagine they wired the entire building?

and finally, why bother with thermite when aircraft impact and fire will do the same thing?


Oh and how do we know he didn't just fake that video
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Well, it makes it quieter, but it's also brighter than the freaken' sun in daylight - bright enough to give somebody looking directly at it with no protection at minimum temporary blindness. It's probably worse than explosives in its own way.
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That too of course, its just they claim thermite and thermate was used because they say its quiet.

But these same people also argue actual explosives were used and claim people heard loud explosives. They cant even decide whether the thermite was quiet, as Jones claims nano thermite when painted on steel and dried becomes a "HIGH EXPLOSIVE", which means its loud not quiet. And of course guys like Richard Gage think that steel can be propelled by high explosives but somehow not make a sound, because he says they used thermite.

I cant understand why they cant see they need to pick a position? Either it was quiet or it was loud.

:rolleyes:
 
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Dave Rogers said:
So, as I'm sure you'll be glad to hear, I'm happy to abandon the claim that thermite could not have caused the sharp edges seen in the steel samples recovered from WTC7. If a victory that small means so much to you that you see it as a major triumph, then I'm very sorry for you.

Dave
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I don't see it as a triumph at all. I see it as an unfortunate plausibility.
 
sheeplesnshills said:
bump for red ibis

how does he think they gained access to all those hundreds of bolt tightening holes? Why were not steel thermite devices found in the holes and no columns found with any damage similar to what he shows, how did they fuse the devices, why were no fuse components found? how did they get the aircraft to crash into exactly the right place as they had wired up or do you imagine they wired the entire building?
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Red doesn't care about such annoying logistical issues.
 
Edx said:
Red doesn't care about such annoying logistical issues.
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These aren't logistical issues. It's a series of questions, half of which are answered in the video, the other half simply bizarre.
 
RedIbis said:
I don't see it as a triumph at all. I see it as an unfortunate plausibility.
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Its not plausible because of the logistics.....

"how does he think they gained access to all those hundreds of bolt tightening holes? Why were not steel thermite devices found in the holes and no columns found with any damage similar to what he shows, how did they fuse the devices, why were no fuse components found? how did they get the aircraft to crash into exactly the right place as they had wired up or do you imagine they wired the entire building?"
 
Edx said:
Red doesn't care about such annoying logistical issues.
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Hold on why do people insist that there would have to be charges thermitic or
not planetd everywhere according to you guys and the OCT all you would have to do is rigg the area of the building where the plane went in about ten floors blow the charges dropping the upper section onto the lower section and then you have yourself a gravity driven crush down type demolition this is why i believe a demolition of the wtc twin towers wouldnt not be so hard after all anyway that deals with issue of idiots running everywhere through the towers planted charges and risking getting busted anyone noticing and
you could always wrap the charges in fire proofing material to stop any premature detonations, and why risk using remote detonators when you could rig the charges with some sort of timer to go off at a set time in precise manner.

And by the way the video does demonstrate that horizontal cuts are possible
with thermite look at the inside of the box column he constructed even the normal thermite
almost cut through it when it exploded, the only problem is you would need thermite with
more of a bang to cut all the way through and that where explosive nanothermite comes into
play a more potent form of thermite as so to say.

See anythings possible.

:D:D:D
 
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RedIbis said:
These aren't logistical issues. It's a series of questions, half of which are answered in the video, the other half simply bizarre.
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No they arent answered, its a fantasy.

How did the black ops ninja teams get access to any of the columns to install these devices? Why werent they discovered in the rubble and why dont we see any evidence on any of the steel? (no we dont) And did we not see lights going off all over the WTC and molten steel falling all over the place (since he implies they installed it in the perimeter columns) before the collapse?

Additionally, he said they used it because its quiet...

So once again, why then do truthers try and claim it was at the same time really loud with explosions going off all over the place and Jones claiming nano thermite was painted on the steel and that this makes it become a high explosive* (ie.LOUD) and also used it to ignite traditional explosives like C4 and HMX and all that propelled heavy steel hundreds of feet yet so quiet no one picked it up on cameras and no one had any blast injuries whatsoever. And all of that was done without anyone noticing it being installed?

And you're going to hand wave all that because you dont care, right? Feel free to prove me wrong but when you ignore all that probably with a glib hand waving one liner know that this is why truthers are seen as a joke.

*It doesnt.
 
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Beside the fact that these beams don't match the size of those of core columns in the WTC, it also doesn't address:

1) How the nefarious demolition crews could possibly get access to enough structure without detection
2) How they could attach it to the steel without attracting attention
3) How they could wire up such contraptions to go off in a coordinated way
4) How many of these devices would be needed
5) What kind of evidence is left on the steel when it is attacked this way
6) Why such evidence was not found on the actual steel from the WTC

In my view, since most of us already know that thermite can damage steel under some conditions, this experiment does nothing to answer the majority of questions. I suppose to truthers this is not just a step towards plausible conjecture, but definitive proof.

But then, their standards are not very high.
 
thecritta;6542657]Hold on why do people insist that there would have to be charges thermitic or
not planetd everywhere according to you guys and the OCT all you would have to do is rigg the area of the building where the plane went in about ten floors blow the charges dropping the upper section onto the lower section and then you have yourself a gravity driven crush down type demolition"
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So now the plane has to hit EXACTLY the right spot? The failure occurs exactly where the planes hit.....thats pretty nice flying and a lot harder than just hitting a 1000 ft x 200ft target.........not impossible but improbable



this is why i believe a demolition of the wtc twin towers wouldnt not be so hard after all anyway that deals with issue of idiots running everywhere through the towers planted charges and risking getting busted anyone noticing and
you could always wrap the charges in fire proofing material to stop any premature detonations, and why risk using remote detonators when you could rig the charges with some sort of timer to go off at a set time in precise manner.
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No timers were fount but there would have had to been hundreds......how could all these charges be installed without anyone noticing and leaving no trace?

And by the way the video does demonstrate that horizontal cuts are possible
with thermite look at the inside of the box column he constructed even the normal thermite
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well thats what it purports to show.......

"almost cut through it when it exploded, the only problem is you would need thermite with
more of a bang to cut all the way through and that where explosive nanothermite comes into
play a more potent form of thermite as so to say.

See anythings possible."

Possible perhaps.....probable ....no. There are no cutter type explosions and again why bother when the aircrafts impact and the fires would be and were quite enough without any sooper nanny anything.:confused::confused::confused:
 
sheeplesnshills said:
So now the plane has to hit EXACTLY the right spot? The failure occurs exactly where the planes hit.....thats pretty nice flying and a lot harder than just hitting a 1000 ft x 200ft target.........not impossible but improbable






No timers were fount but there would have had to been hundreds......how could all these charges be installed without anyone noticing and leaving no trace?



well thats what it purports to show.......

"almost cut through it when it exploded, the only problem is you would need thermite with
more of a bang to cut all the way through and that where explosive nanothermite comes into
play a more potent form of thermite as so to say.

See anythings possible."

Possible perhaps.....probable ....no. There are no cutter type explosions and again why bother when the aircrafts impact and the fires would be and were quite enough without any sooper nanny anything.:confused::confused::confused:
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No timers found you say huh, why would they survive? Why would they not have been pulverised to dust along with the rest of the building contents and materials? Atleast the perps had a way that they could ensure any physical evidence of their wrong doings would be destroyed and not found later on in the mess they generated. I like how some duh bunkers have said if the tower where
destroyed in a CD type fashion there would be detonator cords everywhere just assuming it was an actual explosive controlled demolition but why would they survive? Even probably the detonator cords would have been pulverised into nothing, there where not
even electrical wires found in the wtc rubble, not from the pictures i have seen anyhow.

:D:D:D:boxedin::boxedin::boxedin:
 
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""almost cut through it when it exploded, the only problem is you would need thermite with
more of a bang to cut all the way through and that where explosive nanothermite comes into
play a more potent form of thermite as so to say.

See anythings possible."
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why cut through them?....when merely heating them up enough would reduce the steels strength enough so that it would fail.........you know just like a really big fire over many floors would do :)
 
See... now that is what I have been asking for.

so we have a device which may be able to cut a verticle steel column.

Fantastic.

Now show me it being used to cut multiple columns in the same duration (my second requirement for me to shift to being a twoof).

Of course that is also not counting the outright LIES in this video (peer reviewed journal article? Bentham? Really? or the others that are implied or outright stated).

Of course we are missing the thousands of these items necessary to be used, and the logistics of how they could possibly have been used....
 
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