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Hasn't gg had her car crushed and spent a few days in jail following this stuff?
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No, gg got jailed for trying to record a court case, pleasuredome got his car crushed and jailed and fined.
 
Horatius said:
You could also increase the debt by increasing the principal, even if you're paying off all the interest as it come due. Let's say you have $20 income, have to pay $10 as interest on an existing debt, but also need to spend $15 to do everything you want to do.

You pay the $10 in interest, pay the remaining $10 you have on hand to pay the first 2/3s of your required spending, and then borrow $5 to pay the remaining 1/3. Next year, your interest payments will be slightly higher to cover the interest on that new $5 in debt.
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Except I would argue that, in general terms, that extra $5 is really to cover the interest you haven't paid. I know it's technically a new loan, but if you take your loans as a whole all you have done is really spend $5 covering loan interest (which is $5 short of what is needed).

So I would say if the debt is increasing then we are not covering our interest payments. Either way, we still aren't spending a large proportion of our tax revenue covering our national debt. Which was really the point of the figures.
 
Tolls said:
Except I would argue that, in general terms, that extra $5 is really to cover the interest you haven't paid. I know it's technically a new loan, but if you take your loans as a whole all you have done is really spend $5 covering loan interest (which is $5 short of what is needed).
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Yeah, but that's just wrong. The difference between not covering your interest, and running up the principal with extra spending is, the extra spending is (at least potentially) optional spending. Interest payments aren't optional. If you debt grows so large that you can't cover all your interest payments, then that extra interest is added to the principal directly, and there's nothing you can do to stop that.

With the situation described above, you could stop the growth of the principal in three ways: increase revenue to cover the extra $5, lower spending by that $5, or a combination of those two. If you could set things up like that, it would be stable - you'd pay your $10 interest every year, and the debt principal would just carry over to the next year.

But if we could not cover the interest - let's say our incoome was only $9 - then we're screwed, as we still have to pay $10 somehow. The principal will increase by $1, even if we do no other spending at all.

Paying half you income to cover interest payments isn't a great way to live, but it's far better than not being able to cover that interest at all.
 
Horatius said:
Yeah, but that's just wrong. The difference between not covering your interest, and running up the principal with extra spending is, the extra spending is (at least potentially) optional spending. Interest payments aren't optional. If you debt grows so large that you can't cover all your interest payments, then that extra interest is added to the principal directly, and there's nothing you can do to stop that.

With the situation described above, you could stop the growth of the principal in three ways: increase revenue to cover the extra $5, lower spending by that $5, or a combination of those two. If you could set things up like that, it would be stable - you'd pay your $10 interest every year, and the debt principal would just carry over to the next year.

But if we could not cover the interest - let's say our incoome was only $9 - then we're screwed, as we still have to pay $10 somehow. The principal will increase by $1, even if we do no other spending at all.

Paying half you income to cover interest payments isn't a great way to live, but it's far better than not being able to cover that interest at all.
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I never said it was a nice situation to be in, but currently we're overextended as is fairly natural in a recession. Debt tends to increase even when you are trying to not let it increase, simply because you are working on the idea that you will eventually exit the recession and GDP will grow sufficiently, and tax receipts will improve.

Then again, it is Monday and I'm a bit on the tired side, so I expect I'm missing something blindingly obvious...:)

But, as I say, all that aside, the UK is not spending a large proportion of its tax receipts on covering interest on the national debt. It's more than is healthy, though. I think.
 
it always makes me laugh to think that a bunch of freemen losers who haven't got two bob to rub together tell us all about how money works. These idiots live on giro's and value range spam and spend their days watching rubbish youtube films like the money deception or something by jordan maxwell and suddenly they are experts.
 
It looks as though they may have another potential victory looming,...... but then again.
http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24179

JB
HELP .. Fellow Rebel Kidnapped



Hello Rebels ...

Urgent request for help!

One of our own rebels Mercy Dalgetti has been kidnapped by police this morning over an alleged unpaid fine form last year for no inusrance.

Police forced their way into her house this morning where she has 4 young children (one of whom is a babe in arms) and took her to Crawley Police Station in Sussex to put her before a magistrate.

Can I urge you all to call Crawley Police station on

01273 475432

And let them know you are a member of her family and you demand to know the following:-

1. Why was she kidnapped without her consent
2. Who has she harmed or caused loss to
3. When is she going to be released
4. The name and badge number of the arresting officer
5. The name and badge number of the Officer in charge of the custody suite.
6. The name of the judge who signed the arrest warrant

If they ask for your name simply my name is ...

"YOURNAME ... nothing more nothing less"

So if your name is Mike say ...

"Mike, Nothiong More, Nothing Less"

Additionally I invite you all to express your concern by email the police at this address:-

contact.centre@sussex.pnn.police.uk

Asking the same questions!

It is at times like this that our unity can be shown, if these ignorant policy enforcers know that every time they falsley kidnap one of us that they will get many phone calls and awkward questions then maybe they will think twice about it.

Please do this as soon as you can as Mercy needs to get abck to her kids who are missing her.

Many thanks

RebelLeader
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Surely her names "Mercy, nothing more nothing less" isnt it?
Bah!!!!! she contracted with them.....
 
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I'm sure Crawley police station are going to take kindly to being bombarded with questions from loons lying about being her relatives.
 
Yes I'm sure they will do all they can to pull out all the stops and ensure her speedy and prompt release. :D

Oh and maybe a quick call to social services as well
 
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I'm sure Crawley police station are going to take kindly to being bombarded with questions from loons lying about being her relatives.
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Well they're also getting a look at their next customers.
 
BobHaulk said:
I like the kidnapped without her consent bit.
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It had me wondering too, but after a bit of searching I realised that the "kidnapping with consent" does happen and that there are lots of juicy accounts of the activities on certain home pages. :D
 
girlgye has resurfaced on Ickes
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68357&page=8
Well folks, apparently had a visit from either warrants or bailiffs or policy men again last night.

Dang did I say something about her maj that upset them. Per chance.

Let me put it this way. I guess they are trying to put me in prison as they claim they have a warrant out for my arrest

Deregistered vehicle in June and as you know was imprisoned in September forcibly for refusing to sign and agree to being a CORPORATION released on bail without any consent. The name was taken presumably from DVLA who failed to register the fact that the car was de-registered even though there is a registered mail receipt of this to the Chief Executive and public notice displayed here at the same time.

CHARGE: Obstructing a police constable in the course of his duty.

What I actually did refuse my name and address after asking whether I had a duty to give this first. The response was NO.

When I asked if I had to give my DNA, fingerprints and photograph the response was YES or else we will force you. You all know what happened on that score.

They have my DNA to which they say I purposely lay down and gave them (in the midst of a knee in my ribs and my arms held outstretched I purposely lay down to give them my DNA - yeah right. Oh and I'm supposed to have punched them but then they realised it was filmed and not in statement and then in statements so lets leave that out coz they had hold of both my arms.)

Secondly I drove, no I USED, NO I DROVE, no i was in possession of a car without due insurance not displaying a valid tax disc. CHARGE no insurance. God all that electricity. Do you see why I have a white flash across my hairline?

CRB says Warrant out for my arrest. Case postponed.

Obstructing a police officer, using a car with no insurance. If you check the Statute it implies wilfull violence or assault or generally stopping a police officer for investigating a crime.

They have been asked to prove their case. 3 times.
They haven't. No warrant but still they can say there is one. Oh yes TNS Radio. You are guilty before you walk into that ship so don't bother going in at all. I figured that one out.

Warrant is still out for my arrest with no bail. Even though they held the case without me found me guilty of obstruction and no insurance. Sentence passed disqualification but need me to come in and give them my licence? Go figure. Why would that be they didn't need the licence when they gave me 6 points for driving 6 no 7 miles over the limit. Yes they changed it to 7 midway.

Make no mistake about this I am prepared to die over this. So Q"%"$£!"$£ who gloat about me or PD being in prison go and take *()&*(&()**(

They have had a commercial oath served upon them.
The police a negative averment.
I'm not sure why the police are turning up in plain clothes. My neighbour can't figure that one out.
Can anyone else?
It's Christmas presumably they think I care any more than I did last Christmas that they come disturbing my peace.
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This is a woman up until 18 months ago had 3 successful businesses employing friends and family.
She stumbled across FMOTL and decided she wanted to be free.
Just look whats happened in the preceeding months.

Instead of running her businesses and ensuring that herself and others can enjoy a comfortable lifestyle holidaying abroad and dining out, she is now a prisoner in her *own* home hiding everytime the doorbell goes, and for what?
To be free of course.

ITS SURE SELLING THE FMOTL CONCEPT TO ME THATS FOR SURE :D
*own* probably not for much longer
 
Hmmm "de-registering" a car. Don't know what that means.

You can of course transfer the title to someone else. Sign the bottom of the V5 document and send it into the DVLA, but title has to transfer to another party - or the car has to be scrapped.

You could SORN the car (Statutory Off Road Notice), as I have with my old MG but then you can't park it on the public highway.

Just "de-registering" the car, which I presume means that you just refuse to get insurance or MOT means that the poor person you hit with that deathtrap will have to bear the cost of your stupidity.

Idiots.....
 
jargon buster said:
girlgye has resurfaced on Ickes
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68357&page=8

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This is a woman up until 18 months ago had 3 successful businesses employing friends and family.
She stumbled across FMOTL and decided she wanted to be free.
Just look whats happened in the preceeding months.

Instead of running her businesses and ensuring that herself and others can enjoy a comfortable lifestyle holidaying abroad and dining out, she is now a prisoner in her *own* home hiding everytime the doorbell goes, and for what?
To be free of course.

ITS SURE SELLING THE FMOTL CONCEPT TO ME THATS FOR SURE :D
*own* probably not for much longer
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Soon she'll be free of those annoying things like deciding were you're going to live, what to eat, what to wear and who you will associate with. No money or insurance worries either sounds like a FMOTL's dreamland.
 
Hey 'The Don' an MG?

I From your Avatar I had you down as a 'Jag' man.

'Just take care of the bill will you old chap, I just have to nip out and move the Jarg'
 
Secondly I drove, no I USED, NO I DROVE, no i was in possession of a car without due insurance not displaying a valid tax disc. CHARGE no insurance. God all that electricity. Do you see why I have a white flash across my hairline?
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What.... what does it even mean?? :confused:
 
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