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Global Warmers Promote Dark Ages, Permanently

I didn't vote for the liberal progressive you and your ilk voted into the presidency.

Nor am I happy about the deficit, or Bernacke destroying the dollar even more to pay for Obama et al excesses.
 
Corsair 115 said:
Snowmobiling accounts for some $3 billion of that $7.6 billion total. That means an industry which now contributes some $3 billion to the regional economy may cease to exist in fifty years. That surely will have a lot of ramifications.
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Isn't recreational snowmobiling a perfect example of an activity that should be curtailed? It amounts to riding around for pleasure while spewing more CO2 into the atmosphere.
 
AlBell said:
I didn't vote for the liberal progressive you and your ilk voted into the presidency.

Nor am I happy about the deficit, or Bernacke destroying the dollar even more to pay for Obama et al excesses.
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Darn you, dubald! Stop being such a liberal!
 
Brainster said:
Corsair 115 said:
Snowmobiling accounts for some $3 billion of that $7.6 billion total. That means an industry which now contributes some $3 billion to the regional economy may cease to exist in fifty years. That surely will have a lot of ramifications.
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Isn't recreational snowmobiling a perfect example of an activity that should be curtailed? It amounts to riding around for pleasure while spewing more CO2 into the atmosphere.
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And Mountain Biking is good exercise, nice in temperate climates. :D
 
JonathanQuick said:
Barack Obama has stated that we must cut our carbon emissions 80% by 2050.

The United (sic) Nations has stated that we must cut our carbon emissions 80% by 2050.

National Geographic, the Sierra Club, Governor Schwarzenegger, and countless other governments, organizations, groups, and individuals are all preaching doomsday scenarios arising from anthropogenic carbon dioxide.

The ONLY solution is to cut back 80%.

How easily such pronouncements trip from the lips of Barack Obama, or Al Gore, or U.N. General Secretary Ban Ki-moon.

WHO is willing to return to the dark ages, permanently. Show of hands please?

By 2050, world population will be ~40% greater than it is today.

Please divide the allowable 20% of energy by 1.40. You get 14.2%.
Everyone in favor of cutting your PERSONAL use of energy by 86%, please feel free to do so.
No more vacations.
No more driving anywhere, except MAYBE to work, with several others in carpool.
No more heating your home in winter.
No more cooling it in winter.
No more cooked food.
No more hot showers.
No more hot water.
Close all amusement parks, all movie houses, all restaurants, all places of entertainment. All those people will be unemployed.
No need to sell any more cars. We'll look like Cuba. It's environmentally correct.

Fortunately, the Important People will all still be going to their conferences around the world. They'll fly and drive to their hearts' contents, and dine on steak and lobster at government expense. It's only fair.
Why videoconference when you can go first class, to Cancun.
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I think viewpoints like this miss the basic point: If AGW theories are accurate (and evidence seems to support them), these scenarios (or the ones where we shift to renewable sources) are reality. You do not cope with reality by arguing that it is too grim for your liking.

Hans
 
Corsair 115 said:
Snowmobiling accounts for some $3 billion of that $7.6 billion total. That means an industry which now contributes some $3 billion to the regional economy may cease to exist in fifty years. That surely will have a lot of ramifications.
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Really, how many kinds of industries can expect to exist for fifty years, without fundamental changes? Especially recreational industries.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
Really, how many kinds of industries can expect to exist for fifty years, without fundamental changes? Especially recreational industries.

Hans
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Bowling alleys. They also stand to benefit from the reduced snowfall known to collapse a roof or two every winter ;)
 
AlBell said:
Not a bit. Per APS:

•Carbon dioxide is increasing in the atmosphere due to human activity;
•Carbon dioxide is an excellent infrared absorber, and therefore, its increasing presence in the atmosphere contributes to global warming; and
•The dwell time of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is hundreds of years.
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Question about CO2 that I would like to have answered. If we say that CO2 is the cause of global warming and we know that the biggest producer of CO2 on planet by far is the oceans (evaporating ocean water produce something like 20 times more CO2 than humans). Then warmer climate on global basis will create more water vapor from oceans, more heat more evaporating water, and thereby more CO2. If CO2 then is the main culprit in keeping the earth warm, shouldn't the temperature since the beginning of time have been going up steadily and never have gone down?

Since we know that is not case then it seems to me that CO2 is not where it is at. Global warming is a fact, but what is causing it, is still pretty much up in the air and there are some much better theories out there than CO2 driven global warming.
One of those theories is revolves around sun activity and how a more active sun means a warmer planet and how a less active sun means a colder planet. If you put this theory next to the CO2 driven global warming theory and remember the skeptics motto "always look for the most plausible solution". You have one side that says global warming is caused by human CO2 emission, which accounts for something like 4-5% of all CO2 emission and below 1% of all greenhouse gasses.
The other side says that our climate is driven by the sun, that wonderful ball of light that produces more energy in a second than we could consume in year on earth and is basis for all life on the planet to begin with.
Which one do you think sounds more plausible?
 
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3bodyproblem said:
CO2. It's a blanket that we've made thicker by human activity. The sun on the other hand is historically constant.
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Your assumption that the sun is a constant is not correct, sun activity greatly varies, but if you think that the CO2 theory is more sound then that is fine with me. As long as you remember it is only a theory and other people can have other well founded theories as well, something the CO2 movement often forget.
 
tkmikkelsen said:
Your assumption that the sun is a constant is not correct, sun activity greatly varies, but if you think that the CO2 theory is more sound then that is fine with me. As long as you remember it is only a theory and other people can have other well founded theories as well, something the CO2 movement often forget.
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Obviously you dont understand what a "theory" is
 
keale said:
Obviously you dont understand what a "theory" is
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No need to get mean, but just so that we will not argue about what a theory is. I have provided the definition from Merriam-Webster.

Theory

  1. the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
  2. abstract thought : SPECULATION
  3. the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art *music theory*
  4. a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action *her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn* b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances — often used in the phrase in theory *in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all*
  5. a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena *the wave theory of light*
  6. a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : CONJECTURE c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject *theory of equations*

Of these I would like to think that the theory of CO2 caused global warming fits nicely into 1, 2 and 5.
CO2 caused global warming is only a theory nothing more, nothing less.
 
JonathanQuick said:
Barack Obama has stated that we must cut our carbon emissions 80% by 2050.

The United (sic) Nations has stated that we must cut our carbon emissions 80% by 2050.

National Geographic, the Sierra Club, Governor Schwarzenegger, and countless other governments, organizations, groups, and individuals are all preaching doomsday scenarios arising from anthropogenic carbon dioxide.

The ONLY solution is to cut back 80%.

How easily such pronouncements trip from the lips of Barack Obama, or Al Gore, or U.N. General Secretary Ban Ki-moon.

WHO is willing to return to the dark ages, permanently. Show of hands please?

By 2050, world population will be ~40% greater than it is today.

Please divide the allowable 20% of energy by 1.40. You get 14.2%.
Everyone in favor of cutting your PERSONAL use of energy by 86%, please feel free to do so.
No more vacations.
No more driving anywhere, except MAYBE to work, with several others in carpool.
No more heating your home in winter.
No more cooling it in winter.
No more cooked food.
No more hot showers.
No more hot water.
Close all amusement parks, all movie houses, all restaurants, all places of entertainment. All those people will be unemployed.
No need to sell any more cars. We'll look like Cuba. It's environmentally correct.

Fortunately, the Important People will all still be going to their conferences around the world. They'll fly and drive to their hearts' contents, and dine on steak and lobster at government expense. It's only fair.
Why videoconference when you can go first class, to Cancun.
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Two words: "Go Nuclear".

Problem solved.
 
tkmikkelsen, if you want to discuss the science of AGW then check out the moderated thread in these forums on the subject. Otherwise please stay on topic in here.
 
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