WTC dust

[tsig]

Well, yeah, but they don't build things out of pure iron

Shhsh! You're letting out Military Secrets. Carbon hardened Iron* is highly classified.


*We'll have to think of a better term.

 

[WTC Dust]

Strange, I'd have thought even undergraduate physics courses would teach people the difference between a blurred photograph and a data slide.

Dave

I could draw it with crayons or type it out with ASCII characters, it would still be a data slide if it showed the data I planned to discuss.

I wanted to talk about the structure of the dust, that of a heterogenous foam, and I put up two original pictures so you know I'm not joking.

 

[DGM]

Data slide number one is important, here. It shows the dust in situ. This was no ordinary street dust. The macroscopic structure of the dust is the consistency of a somewhat hardened foam.

I never said the dust and debris from a collapsed building would be "ordinary street dust". Did you know that spray-on fire protection resembles foam?

 

[Newtons Bit]

It's good you're thinking about it, but I think one of your assumptions is a perfectly smooth implementation, where every single bit of the building was zapped by the weapon at the right intensity and power.

This didn't happen. Some steel was left over, and the dust didn't seem to be fully dissociated into the atoms.

Also, the Casimir effect becomes negligible at 1 micrometer, but that doesn't mean that every molecule pushed its neighbor apart by exactly 1 micrometer. Maybe they only pushed each other a fraction of that distance apart.

So your theory really has nothing behind it, then? It's just a guess and you're desperately trying to find something, anything really, to support it.

 

[WTC Dust]

My bold.

Dear God, please say they don't let you near a court room as an expert witness!?

You've completely failed to provide any evidence to support you mysterious beam weapon, or even the effect that it's based on. Nor have you any context to relate your dust sample to the WTC buildings. LeftySergeant has already given you a likely source of such a structure that you have found, yet you just ignored that. Your failure to describe or quantify this aspect of the Casimir Effect doesn't allow an energy budget to be determined, so fails to show if it's in any way realistic (apart from the minor point that no investigator has looked for, or observed this odd effect!).

Do you realise that if your theory is true it would make an ideal spacecraft engine, a true star-trek style impulse engine. Yet instead of generating vast wealth for themselves by cheaply exploiting the solar system, your conspirators restrict themselves to flattening a couple of buildings to provide an excuse to go to war. The idea is barking.

DEW is Dr. Wood's idea. I like it. It's convincing to me. But it's not my theory.

I'm not trying to prove that DEW was used. I'm trying to prove that at least some parts of the WTC steel were turned into dust, which disproves the official plane crash conspiracy.

You have to admit that (if I'm right about the dust), an airplane didn't destroy the WTC.

 

[tsig]

Dusty isn't claiming explosives, "she" is claiming space rays.

Well here's what ordinary rays can do:

Electric rays make their own electricity! They have organs on either side of their heads that can deliver a shock of up to 200 volts! They use this electric shock to scare away predators and to shock prey. Stingrays, eagle rays and devil rays have spiny stingers on their tails that can inject a predator with venom.



http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/nwep6h.htm


Space rays must be awesome.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I wanted to talk avoid talking about the structure of the dust for a couple of weeks so I can get lots of attention, that of a heterogenous foam, and I put up two original uninformative, poor quality pictures and refused to offer any further information so you know I'm not joking competent.

Fixed that for you.

Dave

 

[WTC Dust]

That would make the conspiracy huge.

Aircraft construction and parts production is very tightly controlled.

If the 4 aircraft didn't exist that would mean the manufacturers were in on it and all their workers on the production line that signed off their jobs as complete on the airframe.It would mean all the parts manufacturers that signed off parts to that airframe are in on it.
Engine manufacturers would be in on it. They monitor and advise directly on their engines on the earcraft.
All the service companies and their engineers that signed off jobs on those aircraft would be in on it.
All the pilots that have those aircraft in their log books over the years would be in on it, all the airports that the aircraft visited would be in on it.

Records for airliners are very tightly controlled and regulated there are records going back years for the aircraft with a host of companies and organisations.

Where are the aircraft now?
What about all the passengers and aircrew? where did they all go?

One thing I'm not an expert in is conspiracy theories. I don't think or talk much about who did it, but I am really impressed with Jammonius, who seems to have done a great job presenting some evidence along these lines.

I focus on what happened.

 

[WTC Dust]

That may well be true, but the problem is you think you know better than everyone else.

Have you ever been diagnosed with a mental illness?

Hey, man. I come from the world of academia, where you are expected to be the expert at whatever it is that you are doing.

No big deal. I do know better than anyone else who is regularly replying to this forum. You might not like hearing this, but it's true.

There might be someone who knows more about what destroyed the World Trade Center, but if they aren't named Judy Wood, then I don't know who they are. It's no one on this list, which makes me better than all of you.

 

[WTC Dust]

1 kilogram of Iron is 18.182 moles. That's 1.09*10²⁵ atoms of iron. You tell us how big a sphere that's going to make if they're spaced 1 micrometer apart.

What if they were only spaced 0.01 micrometer apart? That still would be a 40-fold push, right?

I'm not stuck on 1 micrometer. The Casimir effect is negligible experimentally at that distance, but that may not translate to the same distance in practice without the experimental controls.

 

[WTC Dust]

Well, actually, no, but the phrase "dissociation of every molecule of iron" is a great deal stupider than you're suggesting. First of all, iron is an element, so a single atom of iron (which is, one might suppose - wrongly in this case - is what you get when you dissociate a molecule of iron) is still iron. However, it was never in molecules, because iron doesn't exist as molecules in the metallic state - metals are polycrystalline solids. The use of the word "molecule" to describe iron in the metallic state is an indicator, primarily, of a rather basic level of ignorance of materials science.

Dave

I was not referring to the dissociation of the iron atom itself, merely the dissociation of the iron in the steel and saying it was not perfect and that it did not dissociate all of the iron.

 

[WildCat]

Hey, man. I come from the world of academia, where you are expected to be the expert at whatever it is that you are doing.

I guess that's why you're doing nothing except posting a blurry pic of... something. Yes, you are certainly an expert at posting blurry pictures on internet forums.

No big deal. I do know better than anyone else who is regularly replying to this forum. You might not like hearing this, but it's true.

There might be someone who knows more about what destroyed the World Trade Center, but if they aren't named Judy Wood, then I don't know who they are. It's no one on this list, which makes me better than all of you.

Have you ever been diagnosed with a mental illness?

 

[WTC Dust]

Did an artist who worked with metal, live in said dwelling?

Probably not in the little nook where the dust was found, no. There was a few cigarette butts lying around, but I didn't mistake the dust for tobacco ash, either.

 

[WTC Dust]

did any of you actually think that "dr" blevins was actually a phd?

Personally she sounds like several wonderful paranoid schizophrenics with delusions of granduer...

But keep on feeding those delusions.

Just google me.

 

[WTC Dust]

Why does WTC Dust focus on the dust?

What's in the dust, WTC Dust?

If there's evidence of explosive residue in the dust, why not show it WTC Dust?

I haven't seen any evidence of explosive residue in the dust samples I collected. Oh, by the way, did I tell you this part? I collected the dust samples myself. I had them photographed by someone else.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I was not referring to the dissociation of the iron atom itself, merely the dissociation of the iron in the steel and saying it was not perfect and that it did not dissociate all of the iron.

Fine, so you're incompetent and evasive. What did you think the term "molecule of iron" referred to when you used it?

Dave

 

[WTC Dust]

Dusty isn't claiming explosives, "she" is claiming space rays.

I'm not claiming space rays. I don't know where the rays came from. They could have come from under the ocean, as far as I know.

 

[Sabretooth]

Shhsh! You're letting out Military Secrets. Carbon hardened Iron* is highly classified.


*We'll have to think of a better term.

* Sounds like something they've been adding to my box of Coco Pebbles!

...New Coco Pebbles! Now with 110% daily value of CHI^TM!

 

[WTC Dust]

Indeed: notwithstanding that the collapse can be explained using conventional structural analysis and fire engineering assessments, Dusty proposes the use of a hypothetical directed energy-type weapon which in some way converted the steel frame to dust.

The buildings didn't collapse at all, so it's silly to talk about a collapse analysis.

 

[Sabrina]

No comment on the "firemen being out of formation" nonsense I showed you up on? I'm disappointed.