Who started both World Wars?

[TSR]

In fairness, he probably didn't know that his post had been responded to. 9/11-investigator has a history of putting anyone who actually refutes his falsehoods on ignore. If I remember correctly, he put five people on ignore in three pages of the thread "9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust", including myself.

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Also in fairness, zie continues to cite documented liars such as Mark Weber and David Irving.

Nup, no pity for 9/11's lies. Even if simple ignorance was an excuse, *willful* ignorance is not.
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[uke2se]

It was a summary of a book written by a historian with a phd.

It's still crap. That just means it wasn't your crap.

Argument from authority noted, though.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Obviously uke2se refuses to explain what exactly in my post in his opinion was 'stupid'.
He probably has no clue either but simply likes to launch another content free smear.
It is all becoming rather transparent.

So, have you read those sources I provided for you?

 

[uke2se]

So, have you read those sources I provided for you?

Not to mention the fact that I did explain what was stupid and he immediately dropped the subject.

 

[TSR]

It was a summary of a book written by a historian with a phd.

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An *economist* with a doctorate.

But let's run with this: he does not deny the historicity of the Holocaust. Can we assume then, that you concede that it happened?

Or do you only agree with him when he seems to support your agenda (which, BTW, if you actually *read* the book in question, he does not.)
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[Hans]

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An *economist* with a doctorate.

But let's run with this: he does not deny the historicity of the Holocaust. Can we assume then, that you concede that it happened?

Or do you only agree with him when he seems to support your agenda (which, BTW, if you actually *read* the book in question, he does not.)
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Very funny TSR! I wonder what our prince of denial will do now?

His lack of a logical mind hampers hi:, Nazis are evil, some Nazis are German, therefore all Germans are evil. Classic logic failure.

 

[Hans]

If not, you Anglos run the risk of getting the blame for both world wars. And that is a losing proposition with Russia no longer on your side and 1.3 billion Chinese waiting in the wings for take over. And a US economy about to implode and your multiculturalism being discredited in Europe everywhere.

Think about all those reparations of Versailles scale waiting for you. And what if Ahmadinejad is right and the H-word turns about to be fake indeed?

And what is Suvorow is right after all? Then all over sudden Hitler is the hero and you are the villains.

There is zilch chance that will happen the amount of evidence against such a proposal is enormous - just the evidence presented here makes it clear that Germany was the aggressor in WW2 and was responsible for the expansion and continence of WWI

Multi-culturism has been discredited even the Chinese have a multi-cultural society - not everyone is a Mandarin speaking Han Chinese. Multi-culturism is reality

WW2 is over there will be no 'versaille' to even say that shows a mental state of a crackpot

Hitler was murderous maniac he will never be a hero except to a tiny minority of hate filled NeoNazis.

How you doing on all those other questions? Oh that's right you have me on ignore, LOL

 

[Hans]

Tell us o'9/11 sage of history. Show us these German peace offers. They must exist in document form.

 

[Bluespaceoddity]

... impartial bystanders will judge that ... For the neutral bystander ...

Can anyone come forward and identify himself/herself as a member of 9/11-investigator's target audience? Come forward to pass that judgment openly and explicitly that 9/11-investigator attributes to you, so to speak...

Holocaust deniers can you also come forward and either acknowledge or dispute that 9/11-investigator speaks on your behalf or at least accurately represents "your" (collective or individual) opinions when he launches into one of his "No holocaust denier says ..." grand standing routines?

I'd really like to know for whom your act is performed. Few of the people who have already responded in your threads seem to find valuable insights into history in your comments. Most recognize your distortions of the historical record -and of their own comments in your summaries of the preceding thread messages- fairly rapidly. So, do you really think you have an attentive and appreciative audience outside these people who have already responded to your posts? Impartial to boot?
How many people would have to come forward before you can genuinely claim to speak for anyone other than yourself? Based on the reactions as your threads wear on, and based on the valid speculation that you routinely put actual responders on your ignore list, it appears to me that you're increasingly just speaking to yourself.

For what it's worth, I think uke2se's response made sense to yet another one of your spam bot posts.

 

[9/11-investigator]

It is not likely that Nigel Knight will be a popular historian, not in Britain at least;
here is an average Brit going berserk over the book mentioned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygiyGzi16xk

"Britain coming to the resque of Poland" is good. In reality Britain after the war gladly handed over Poland to the Soviets. Amusing. Listening to this no doubt reader of TheSun it is no surprise that Britain ranks 26th on the Humand Development Index, firmly behind Greece.

Even the fat drunkard Churchill admitted after the war that he had slaughtered the wrong pig.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Can anyone come forward and identify himself/herself as a member of 9/11-investigator's target audience? Come forward to pass that judgment openly and explicitly that 9/11-investigator attributes to you, so to speak...

There was one recently, who got banned immediately.

I'd really like to know for whom your act is performed.

For the future of Europe.

Few of the people who have already responded in your threads seem to find valuable insights into history in your comments. Most recognize your distortions of the historical record -and of their own comments in your summaries of the preceding thread messages- fairly rapidly. So, do you really think you have an attentive and appreciative audience outside these people who have already responded to your posts? Impartial to boot?

Of course not. The interpretation of the history of both world wars is highly political. The assorted lefties around here will never admit to revisionist thinking. I am not here to convince you, I am here to learn your arguments and how to battle them, which will prove useful later in the European political arena, after the inevitable Soviet style death of America. To fill the ideological power vacuum so to speak. I am not looking for agreement, I am looking for as much opposition as possible. That is where you come in.

How many people would have to come forward before you can genuinely claim to speak for anyone other than yourself? Based on the reactions as your threads wear on, and based on the valid speculation that you routinely put actual responders on your ignore list, it appears to me that you're increasingly just speaking to yourself.

I only put the insulters like dtugg and not-so-bright time wasters like Pure_argent and stalkers like Hans on the ignore; the better brains can still bring forward their arguments. We are not for nothing in page 78 now.

 

[9/11-investigator]

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An *economist* with a doctorate.

Wrong:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Scheil

Scheil studierte Geschichte und Philosophie in Mannheim und Karlsruhe. 1997 promovierte er in Karlsruhe mit der Dissertation Die Entwicklung des politischen Antisemitismus in Deutschland zwischen 1881 und 1912. Anschließend befasste er sich vor allem mit der Vorgeschichte des Zweiten Weltkriegs in Europa und den Ursachen des Krieges gegen die Sowjetunion 1941–1945.

TSR:

But let's run with this: he does not deny the historicity of the Holocaust. Can we assume then, that you concede that it happened?

If he would give his opinion about the H-word he would land in jail. In fact, Germany is the only country I advocate holocaust denial laws, in order to prevent that Anglo predators will have a go at Germany for a third time. The SS-Auschwitz needs to be torpedoed by non-Germans Europeans, Americans or even Iranians.

Or do you only agree with him when he seems to support your agenda (which, BTW, if you actually *read* the book in question, he does not.).

He tries to be a revisionist and remain out of jail at the same time. He is doing wonderful work. He is writing history, not political propaganda.

 

[9/11-investigator]

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/288693-1

Wow, nice find... video "Legacy of Winston Churchill", 107 minutes.

Pat Buchanan
Andrew Roberts
Nigel Knight (from 18:00)
and others

At 16:45 a Churchill groupie named Andrew Roberts sums up the British attitude filled with irritating moral grand standing (Britain as the 'saviour' of Europe), while itself gobbling up 25% of the planets surface in a colonial empire of it's own. 'Brave Britain' battling Spain, Louis14, Napoleon, even the Kaiser (16:53). What is irritating, is not that Britain battled them, but putting these events in a moral framework, where the British are the good guys and the rest evil. WW1 fitted perfectly in that standard British strategy of divide and conquor and rule itself. WW1 was plotted by Britain via it's alliances with France and Russia, which were purely anti-German. Perfectly understandable from a power politics point of view, but please let morals out of it. Britain wanted to destroy Germany, both in WW1 and in WW2. And probably even today. What was understandable in WW1, was outright stupidity in WW2, with 2 new bullies waiting in the wings for a global power grab: USSR and USA. Churchill was the real Icebreaker for Roosevelt and Stalin to take over Europe by fighting the only nation that wanted to be friends with Britain, where Roosevelt's main calling in life was the destruction of the British empire. The communists had been waiting for the capitalist countries to go at each others throat since the 1920's. Roosevelt was plotting for war in Europe ever since 1933. Churchill was the right man to deliver to the Jews what they paid him to do: destroy Europe.

Now however, it is 2010.
Jewish imposed communism is dead and hence the USSR.
Jewish imposed multiculturalism will cause the death of the US, probably after a Jugoslav style race war and subsequent balkanization, triggered by the current terminal economic downturn.

Now it is time to get serious about a renaissance of Europe after a century of Anglo/Jewish/marxist destruction. Keywords are: Paris-Berlin-Moscow military alliance, small government, Swiss style local democracy, reforming a neo-marxist EU into a federal Europe of ca. 60 autonomous regions (Holland, Toscany, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Prussia, Bretagne, Sweden, Silesia, Hungary, Greece, Croatia, Sicilia, Aragon, Andalusia, Catalonia, Bavaria, Flanders, Wallonia, Lotharingen, Elzas, Burgundy, Estonia, etc.), family, race, return of aristocracy.

Britain and it's history will be alone with a united Europe.
You don't want to be a Brit in this century.

 

[TSR]

Wrong:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Scheil

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Wiki? Seriously? With no primary sources cited for zir credentials? What *was* zir degree in?

But let's run with *this* one for a while ( from your own source )
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Dabei ignoriere Scheil folgende Tatsachen:
die Hoßbach-Niederschrift vom November 1937, nach der Hitler den Krieg gegen Polen angestrebt und für unvermeidbar erklärt hat,
Hitlers Kriegskurs seit dem Münchner Abkommen 1938,
unannehmbare Forderungen des NS-Regimes an Polen, so dass dessen Regierung eine gegenseitige Grenzgarantie im März 1939 ablehnte,
die „bewusst eskalierten Spannungen mit Polen im Sommer 1939“,
dass die Wehrmacht seit Juni 1939 angriffsbereit war,
dass die „teilweise martialischen Töne“ in Polen bedeutungslos waren, weil den Deutschen ihre reale militärisch-technische Überlegenheit klar war,
Hitlers Rede am 22. August 1939 vor Wehrmachtsgenerälen, in der er zur Zerschlagung Polens und Vernichtung seiner Führungsschicht aufrief und kein Eingreifen der westlichen Bündnispartner Polens erwartete,
dass Stalin Hitler mit dem Hitler-Stalin-Pakt nicht zum Krieg gegen Polen drängte, sondern dessen Angriffswillen für eigene gefahrlose Gebietsgewinne nutzte.
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Care to offer a translation for our non-German reading viewers, and address why you felt these facts were not relevant, or am I going to have to embarrass you again?
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If he would give his opinion about the H-word he would land in jail. In fact, Germany is the only country I advocate holocaust denial laws, in order to prevent that Anglo predators will have a go at Germany for a third time. The SS-Auschwitz needs to be torpedoed by non-Germans Europeans, Americans or even Iranians.

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Ah, so you can quote zie as expressing this fear since you seem to know what zir opinion is, or are you just projecting your paranoia again? Just how, exactly, do you know that opinion since zie hasn't expressed it?

And isn't it sad, that after close to 7 decades, not a *single* torpedo has been fired that hasn't been amply demonstrated to be a farce has been fired?
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He tries to be a revisionist and remain out of jail at the same time. He is doing wonderful work. He is writing history, not political propaganda.

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No, by ignoring evidence that contradicts zir thesis, he (like you) demonstrate that all y'all have is a lame attempt at propaganda.

In closing, another cite from 9/11's source ( this time, with a real, you know, citation and all ):

Die Nationalsozialisten errichteten im Deutschen Reich eine totalitäre Diktatur, begannen und führten einen Weltkrieg und verübten zahlreiche Massenverbrechen an ethnischen, religiösen, sozialen und politischen Minderheiten, darunter den historisch beispiellosen Holocaust an etwa sechs Millionen europäischen Juden. Diese Ära wird allgemein als Tiefpunkt der Geschichte Deutschlands und der Geschichte Europas angesehen.

Gonna translate that one for us, 9/11?
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[9/11-investigator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GovBl3IYxQ

Snippet (144 seconds) from fairly recent talk by David Irving, the Last Hero of The West.

"Germans built the wrong airforce"

Makes a mockery of the idea that the Germans had a long term hostile intent against Britain. Britain in contrast had and managed to destroy Germany.

And itself.

And here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_L9gZWAPHk

Interesting what the prescient Queen Mother had to say about Churchill (1:58).

 

[Hans]

"Britain coming to the resque of Poland" is good. In reality Britain after the war gladly handed over Poland to the Soviets. Amusing. Listening to this no doubt reader of TheSun it is no surprise that Britain ranks 26th on the Humand Development Index, firmly behind Greece.

Even the fat drunkard Churchill admitted after the war that he had slaughtered the wrong pig.

Yet that is what Britain the France did. It was Germany fault. She attacked Poland and didn't limit herself to Danzig but took all the country - parts that had never belonged to Germany at any point in history.

The attack on the Soviets allowed them to take eastern Europe.

But they are gone now so the British are vindicated, they helped to defeat both Facism and communism

 

[Hans]

....stalkers like Hans on the ignore; .

Translated: Hans was cutting me to pieces over the details of history so I had to create an accuse to get rid of him. When I'm remaking history I don't want someone who knows more about it than I do showing everyone my mistakes! LOL what a marrooooon

 

[Hans]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GovBl3IYxQ

Snippet (144 seconds) from fairly recent talk by David Irving, the Last Hero of The West.

"Germans built the wrong airforce"

Makes a mockery of the idea that the Germans had a long term hostile intent against Britain. Britain in contrast had and managed to destroy Germany.

And itself.

And here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_L9gZWAPHk

Interesting what the prescient Queen Mother had to say about Churchill (1:58).

More gross historical stupidity from 9/11. Hitler demanded a large tactical airforce to fight fast and quick wars. The Germany industry of that time could not have produced a large enough strategic bombing force fast enough.

They believed that mining, U-boats and a superior land force would overwhelm opposition on land and put enough pressure on the UK to surrender or sue for peace.....they were wrong

 

[Uzzy]

I suppose it's true enough that the Allies gladly handed over Eastern Europe to the USSR. No one in the West thought to challenge Stalin over this at all or hold him to promises of free elections in the East. Infact the West and the USSR lived on in peace for about 45 years afterwards. No hostility whatsoever.

 

[Uzzy]

It must also really sting nein/11 guy that the golden age of his own nation, the Netherlands, came about due to the rise of the middle classes and immigration of knowledgeable workers into the area, including Jews and many non-conformists. Funny that.