Merged Rally to Restore Sanity

Cicero said:
If you believe that then you are also indifferent to the spirit of Stewart's point
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No, I am not. Fox is the loudest. They are the most watched. That, in the business of television, speaks the loudest.
 
JFrankA said:
No, I am not. Fox is the loudest. They are the most watched. That, in the business of television, speaks the loudest.
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Yeah, you are. You said FOX News is the "loudest," i.e. worst at "fear mongering and shouting." Now you are spinning that to mean the most watched? Pathetic.
 
JFrankA said:
So am I right in assuming that Fox "news" is not news, but one big advertisement for Republicans?
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That would be the assumption shared by those indifferent to the spirit of Stewart's point of the rally.
 
JFrankA said:
No, I am not. Fox is the loudest. They are the most watched. That, in the business of television, speaks the loudest.
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That, and they try their best to portray a "culture war" happening in the USA with their fabricated stories and nonsense. Will they try the "War on Christmas" again this year?
 
Cicero said:
Yeah, you are. You said FOX News is the "loudest," i.e. worst at "fear mongering and shouting." Now you are spinning that to mean the most watched? Pathetic.
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I'm sorry, Cicero, it is you who is doing the spinning on this, and a particularly poor spin, I might add.

I DID say that Fox is the most watched. Re-read my post:

No, I am not. Fox is the loudest. They are the most watched. That, in the business of television, speaks the loudest.
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And yes, I did mean that because they are the most watched, they are the ones pegged as the loudest in fear mongering and shouting.

See? No spin. I said it clearly.

Now when someone gets a chance to speak out for an ideal, one tends to pick on the group that is the loudest against that ideal. That is what is happening here.

The rally is against the loud, fear mongering, sensationalism that all three "news" channels throw out at us 24/7. Fox is the loudest and the most well known - yes, they are the most watched - so they get the most "picked on" in this rally. That's the way it is.

(See? No spin. I'm being clear, honest and direct without any mincing of word. See if you can be just as honest and clear.)
 
thaiboxerken said:
That, and they try their best to portray a "culture war" happening in the USA with their fabricated stories and nonsense. Will they try the "War on Christmas" again this year?
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That bothers me no end.

However, when people start that "war on Christmas" to me, I really make them mad when I reply "isn't Christmas about peace to all? It's in your carols..." :D
 
Cicero said:
That would be the assumption shared by those indifferent to the spirit of Stewart's point of the rally.
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So are you saying Fox is legitimate news, i.e. completely fair and unbiased to both Republicans and Democrats and moderates and Libertarians and Muslims, etc?
 
Cicero said:
Again, Stewart's point of the rally is not compatible with the number of signs that singled out FOX News as the source of fear. To suggest that this rally consisted of a majority of folks who expressed equal rejection of "liberal fear mongers" along with "conservative fear monger" is absurd.
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But it wasn't just Stewart's rally. Colbert had a rally, too. Same time same place. Same Bat-Channel!

March to Keep Fear Alive
http://www.colbertrally.com/

Hence these signs:
http://www.saneornot.com/take-it-down-a-notch

And others which are about stirring the pot (perhaps in a comedic way) rather than sharing it. Plus some people who turned up may not have got what Stewart/Colbert intended.
 
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FireGarden said:
But it wasn't just Stewart's rally. Colbert had a rally, too. Same time same place. Same Bat-Channel!
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Stewart is an equal opportunity offender. Colbert's schtick is a one-note satire of his idea of a "conservative." From the majority of the slogans on the signs at the rally, it appears that Stewart's message that both political sides are guilty of the same "fear-mongering" was rejected in favor of Colbert's notion that only the right engages in it.
 
Cicero said:
Stewart is an equal opportunity offender. Colbert's schtick is a one-note satire of his idea of a "conservative."
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I'm not all that familiar with Colbert. Is he talking about "conservatives" here:
http://www.colbertrally.com/what-is-restoring-truthiness

America, we are at a crossroad. Truthiness in this nation is at an all-time low since the inception of the concept was founded by the great American, Stephen Colbert. In its rich history over the past five years, Truthiness has become synonymous with American values such as freedom, honor, and Taco Bell. Recently our nation has suffered a truthiness drain. In fact, untruthiness is as common as measles vaccinations that cause cancer. We as a nation have stopped relying on our emotions and gut. We need to get back to what makes this nation great. Act on impulse not fact. Stop wasting time analyzing and just take what people say on face value. Why think when someone else can think for you. It’s superficial. It’s quick. It’s American. Restore Truthiness now!

[...] Stephen Colbert, a Comedy Central TV personality, introduced the term, “truthiness” on his show The Colbert Report, a show that parodies the extreme, outspoken, self-promoting, political pundits on channels like Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN. His show pokes fun at the absurdity of the mainstream news media.

[...] Although many supporters of “Restoring Truthiness” view the movement as “progressive”, “left-wing”, and “anti-Glenn Beck”, that is not the sentiment behind the movement.
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The first paragraph is a general garment. You tell me who it fits.

Isn't this based on an Obama poster?:
http://www.colbertrally.com/wp-content/themes/colbertrally/images/colbert-truthiness.jpg

It's called 'Truthiness Hope' by James Stevens on this page:
http://www.colbertrally.com/art

Here's Obama hope:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_"Hope"_poster
 
FireGarden said:
I'm not all that familiar with Colbert.
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Colbert is a satirically, over-the-top conservative. Cicero seems to take it as against all conservatives when it seems, at least to me, that it's just making fun of the extremists ("The muslims are gonna get me!" types). I'm not sure he really "gets" comedy. But that's just my opinion.
 
elbe said:
Colbert is a satirically, over-the-top conservative. Cicero seems to take it as against all conservatives when it seems, at least to me, that it's just making fun of the extremists ("The muslims are gonna get me!" types). I'm not sure he really "gets" comedy. But that's just my opinion.
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On the contrary. I find your revisionist history quite comical.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6251935#post6251935

Exactly who are these "extremists conservatives" that you claim are the "muslims are gonna get me!" types?"

Perhaps you are referring to those who object to the proposed location of the ground zero mosque? You know, people like Dr. Howie Dean, Rep. Mike McMahon, Rep. Tim Bishop, Rep. Steve Israel, Harry Reid, Rep. Michael Arcuri
not to mention the leader of the Democratic Party, the POTUS. Maybe Colbert will add an "extremist liberal" to his repertoire?
 
Cicero said:
... revisionist history quite comical.


Exactly who are these "extremists conservatives" that you claim are the "muslims are gonna get me!" types?"

Perhaps you are referring to those who object to the proposed location of the ground zero mosque? You know, people like Dr. Howie Dean, Rep. Mike McMahon, Rep. Tim Bishop, Rep. Steve Israel, Harry Reid, Rep. Michael Arcuri
not to mention the leader of the Democratic Party, the POTUS. Maybe Colbert will add an "extremist liberal" to his repertoire?
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POTUS? That would be President Obama. Here. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38702141/
And this, "Rick A. Lazio, a Republican candidate for governor and a former member of the House of Representatives, issued a statement late Friday that the president was still “not listening to New Yorkers,” The New York Times reported."
 
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Cicero said:
Here is another oldie but goodie:

"The only difference between Bush and Hitler is that Hitler was elected."

Kurt Vonnegut, March, 2006, speech at Ohio University


You seem to be more concerned with who posted the signs on the internet rather than the ideology of the people carrying them.
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I think you're making a mistake in assuming that because Stewart's politics are left of center that he agrees with anyone else who is left.

This rally was against extremism on both sides, including extremism from the left.
 
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