Science Disproves Evolution

[John Jones]

Of course, probably not. However...
I have given it some thought and examination and consider it possible that all the various cultural accounts of leprechauns, elves, gnomes, and more specifically, the first-hand Native American accounts that have been told to me concerning "the little people"... all of these might be different cultural interpretations and then-current contemporary accurate reports and/or portrayals of possible real occurrences. No matter how unlikely even I consider that to be, I do allow for some such possibility.

Do you ask for evidence of these creatures?

 

[154]

And as I said,
Why would you make such a statement? It exposes your implicit understanding that science is superior to religion in the fact that it is real.

Otherwise, why bother with trying to label evolution a religion?

I consider it a valid observation and characterization
and am in no way troubled by such, as you seem.

 

[joobz]

Okay.
I don't know anybody that is a supporter of evolution that is an equal or greater proponent of Christ at the same time. Not one. Don't recall ever even having known someone like that.
But if you say so.

Pope John Paul II.

 

[joobz]

I consider it a valid observation and characterization
and am in no way troubled by such, as you seem.

So you believe that evolution is equation to christianity.
Strange.

 

[John Jones]

Okay.
I don't know anybody that is a supporter of evolution that is an equal or greater proponent of Christ at the same time. Not one. Don't recall ever even having known someone like that.
But if you say so.

Thanks for that outstanding example of the logical fallacy known as an Appeal To Ignorance.

 

[I Am The Scum]

Not true. I wish you could see that that is not true. It is fine, honest and intellectually legitimate to remain skeptically unpersuaded as an agnostic. "I don't know." is a good, honest and fair answer. At the same time, ardently arguing therefore that God is Not True is not logically and rationally justified. That is where your bias takes over and argues and advocates that which it desires.

There is more than one definition of "reject." When I say that in the absence of evidence I will reject your claims, I am saying that under those circumstances I will not accept your claims. The alternative is either gullibility, or arguing from ignorance. This would be an absurd way to rationalize beliefs. Take this guy for instance:

Okay.
I don't know anybody that is a supporter of evolution that is an equal or greater proponent of Christ at the same time. Not one. Don't recall ever even having known someone like that.
But if you say so.

He thinks that just because he doesn't see such people, that they probably don't exist. What a clown!

 

[Simon39759]

Well; there is the 'God thinks like me' aspect to it.
Obviously because 154 hates the TOE, that means Jesus must hate it too... therefore, you can be a 'true Christian' and accept it...

 

[Craig4]

Alright then Simon. Do you personally know any, not nominally and culturally "Christians," but serious, faithful believers, advocates and proponents of Jesus Christ who happen to at the same time believe the Theory of Evolution to be true?

That's fine, religion just has to change to accommodate the new information science provides, that's all. It's not as if reality is going to change to accommodate your beliefs. You just need to accept that there is no literal truth in Genesis and keep the super natural out of the real world.

 

[Tubbythin]

I guess it can fairly be called a matter of perspective and I therefore call this your projection.
Talk about "predetermined beliefs," the Evolutionary Orthodoxy is enforced.

Pardon? Are you telling me journals like Answers in Genesis do not exist? OR the Creation Research Society?

 

[Brainache]

Alright then Simon. Do you personally know any, not nominally and culturally "Christians," but serious, faithful believers, advocates and proponents of Jesus Christ who happen to at the same time believe the Theory of Evolution to be true?

The Archbishop of Canterbury.
The Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church...

 

[Sideroxylon]

Okay.
I don't know anybody that is a supporter of evolution that is an equal or greater proponent of Christ at the same time. Not one. Don't recall ever even having known someone like that.
But if you say so.

I reckon you should seek these people out and discuss how they can maintain faith without denying the biggest ideas in biology and geology (I am assuming you are also carrying the young earth millstone around your neck too).

 

[Belz...]

The fossil record supports the creation rather than the evolution prediction.

How do you figure, then, that geologists around the world disagree with you. Since they are specialists in the field, why should we trust your interpretation over theirs ?

 

[Belz...]

I don't know anybody that is a supporter of evolution that is an equal or greater proponent of Christ at the same time. Not one. Don't recall ever even having known someone like that.

Religion will tend to screw you over like that, yes.

 

[Dancing David]

Simon, where's the condescension in what I said? With what there do you specifically disagree?

Only True Christians wear kilts.

If someone is not your personal defintion of Christian, even though they follow the teachings of Yeshuah bar Yoseph to the exact letter and intent, you dismiss them.

BTW, do you keep kosher and observe the sabbath?

 

[Dancing David]

I guess it can fairly be called a matter of perspective and I therefore call this your projection.
Talk about "predetermined beliefs," the Evolutionary Orthodoxy is enforced.

No the question is why YOU say that someone who is a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ yet accepts ToE is not really a Christian?

So where did Jesus say you have to accept the 6,000 year old earth and reject ToE? Hmmmm?

 

[Dancing David]

And where exactly did you see that in my words?

Edited by Locknar: 

Edited, breach of Rule 11 content removed.

Do you realize that on a world-wide basis, more Christians believe in evolution than don't believe in evolution?

No, actually I didn't, but I will take your word for it. I don't really doubt it. It's probably safe to say that many or most "Christians" are really just more of a "cultural Christian" rather than any sincere and serious believer in Jesus Christ. These evolution-believing Christians probably aren't very serious about and don't talk much about Jesus either, is my guess.

Maybe somewhere in this post?

 

[Dancing David]

Alright then Simon. Do you personally know any, not nominally and culturally "Christians," but serious, faithful believers, advocates and proponents of Jesus Christ who happen to at the same time believe the Theory of Evolution to be true?

Yes.

Sincere Christians how seem to live by the words of Jesus in everyway, they will even discuss their faith if you ask them to, and invite you to their church. I beleive that they are methodists, two of them even avoid swearing and I have never heard any of the three of them take the lords name in vain.

Maybe you define 'faith' as 'exactly conforming to my pattern of faith'.

 

[Dancing David]

Okay.
I don't know anybody that is a supporter of evolution that is an equal or greater proponent of Christ at the same time. Not one. Don't recall ever even having known someone like that.
But if you say so.

Maybe you need to get out more and meet new people. How many people do you know outside of your church, have you been to other churches, of other denominations ?

I suggest you go to a university that is not a 'bible' college, and meet some of the faculty there. The go to some other churches and get to know some people, even outside of the UU church there are many faith filled people who believe in the big bang and the theory of evolution, I can think of lutherans, episcopalians, Methodists, babtists and even one nazarene, strange that one (okay my sister goes to a nazarene church but is not a nazarene).

In fact some of these people have tried to convert me, or at least dissuade me.

 

[Belz...]

What I find funny about people who say evolution doesn't work is that they seem to forget this:

Nylon-eating bacteria.

 

[Simon39759]

What I find funny about people who say evolution doesn't work is that they seem to forget this:

Nylon-eating bacteria.

microevolution* dude...


*Micro-evolution being here defined as: the kind I can not deny to much without making an obvious fool of myself...