WTC dust

[triforcharity]

12 feet of gravity effects? Please, stick to reality. 12 feet is not very much for gravity to work with. Not to mention that the videos do not depict intact floors falling at any point.

Have you tried my VW experiment?

Suspend a bowling ball 6" above your foot. Allow it to fall.

Hurt much? Not really. But a little bit.

Suspend a bowling ball 12' above your foot and repeat.

So, does 12 feet hurt more or less than 6"?

 

[dtugg]

Yeah, it's new physics. Do you have a problem with new physics? Even physicists will tell you that they do not fully understand the universe. I don't know why you would balk at the thought that there might be something you don't already know about.

Sane people need proof in order to believe that a device exists which can dustifiy a hundred thousand tons of steel in ten seconds.

You of course have zero. You can't even begin to describe how such a device might work.

Why should sane people believe you?

 

[WTC Dust]

No way you're actually a scientist. Well, I guess your hero Judy Wood really has a PhD so anything is possible. But she is mentally ill. What is your excuse?

You would actually do well to learn a little bit about the history of science.

Your attitude (while not that of a scientist) is common when paradigm shifts are about to happen.

It doesn't matter if a million people call you crazy if you get the right answer. They called Tesla crazy when Marconi stole his patents, but eventually that got reversed.

 

[triforcharity]

Hey WTC Dust,

What intersection were you at?

 

[BigAl]

Yeah, it's new physics. Do you have a problem with new physics?

Probably.

Please take this to the Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology section.

What intersection were you at?

You clearly are not a "research scientist."

 

[WTC Dust]

Well at least I'm not the only one.

Yep. People have accused me of being Dr. Wood. I'm not.

I'm an independent researcher who discovered Judy Wood in 2005. Her theory matches my independent observations of a short pile at Ground Zero, continuing fumes and the sheer amount of dust that appeared at the same time that the WTC buildings went away.

 

[BigAl]

What intersection were you at?

 

[dtugg]

You would actually do well to learn a little bit about the history of science.

Your attitude (while not that of a scientist) is common when paradigm shifts are about to happen.

It doesn't matter if a million people call you crazy if you get the right answer. They called Tesla crazy when Marconi stole his patents, but eventually that got reversed.

But you and your hero aren't going to get the right answer (well perhaps if you start treating your mental illness, you'll get it right - that is that impact damage, fire and gravity destroyed the WTC). So you'll just be crazy.

 

[triforcharity]

Yep. People have accused me of being Dr. Wood. I'm not.

I'm an independent researcher who discovered Judy Wood in 2005. Her theory matches my independent observations of a short pile at Ground Zero, continuing fumes and the sheer amount of dust that appeared at the same time that the WTC buildings went away.

Could you possibly narrow it down for me?

Now, were you at Broadway and Liberty?
Broadway and Cortlandt?
Broadway and John?
Broadway and Fulton?
Broadway and Veasey?

Which one were you at? Those are the intersections that GZ would have been visable.

 

[WTC Dust]

You never saw the pile, did you?

Wrong again. I kept going to Ground Zero over and over again. I saw the pile from every single vantage point possible, including from the little platform they built that winter and from the WFC Winter Garden, when they finally let us into that area.

Just saying from street level, you couldn't see anything of the pile above a ten foot fence from two blocks away.

I can probably run to the WTC right now and be there in a minute or less. I'm close. I'm a witness to the aftermath. How are you doing, today?

 

[DGM]

Yep. People have accused me of being Dr. Wood. I'm not.

I'm an independent researcher who discovered Judy Wood in 2005. Her theory matches my independent observations of a short pile at Ground Zero, continuing fumes and the sheer amount of dust that appeared at the same time that the WTC buildings went away.

You seem to believe that the piles would start a street level, Why? Do you know how deep the piles went?

 

[WTC Dust]

Could you possibly narrow it down for me?

Now, were you at Broadway and Liberty?
Broadway and Cortlandt?
Broadway and John?
Broadway and Fulton?
Broadway and Veasey?

Which one were you at? Those are the intersections that GZ would have been visable.

I walked the entire length of Broadway, trying to get a peek. Not a bit of the pile was seen above that fence.

 

[triforcharity]

Wrong again. I kept going to Ground Zero over and over again. I saw the pile from every single vantage point possible, including from the little platform they built that winter and from the WFC Winter Garden, when they finally let us into that area.

Just saying from street level, you couldn't see anything of the pile above a ten foot fence from two blocks away.

I can probably run to the WTC right now and be there in a minute or less. I'm close. I'm a witness to the aftermath. How are you doing, today?

Fine.

Now, were you at Broadway and Liberty?
Broadway and Cortlandt?
Broadway and John?
Broadway and Fulton?
Broadway and Veasey?

Which one were you at? Those are the intersections that GZ would have been visable.

You said Broadway. What intersection?

 

[WTC Dust]

You clearly have no idea how the WTC was constructed. There were no steel beams in the floors. Why should anybody listen to anything you say if you can't even get the basics right?

You also fail to take into account the fact that the WTC was built in a "bathtub" multiple stories deep and the fact that the debris was spread over an area much larger than the footprints of the buildings.

You fail, twoofer.

This is the JREF forums, and clairvoyance is frowned upon here. Please don't claim to know what other people know. It makes you seem like a believer in the paranormal.

No steel beams in the floors? Hahaha! Wrong.

 

[WTC Dust]

Fine.

Now, were you at Broadway and Liberty?
Broadway and Cortlandt?
Broadway and John?
Broadway and Fulton?
Broadway and Veasey?

Which one were you at? Those are the intersections that GZ would have been visable.

You said Broadway. What intersection?

I walked from Houston street to Wall Street along Broadway, looking for the pile at every point along the way.

 

[BigAl]

This is the JREF forums, and clairvoyance is frowned upon here. Please don't claim to know what other people know. It makes you seem like a believer in the paranormal.

No steel beams in the floors? Hahaha! Wrong.

What intersection were you at?

 

[WTC Dust]

Since you and your hero Judy Wood are about the only people in the world who say this happened, you are the ones who have to propose a mechanism if you want sane people to believe it is possible. For some reason you have produced nothing.

I wasn't the one who proposed the mechanism. That person is Judy Wood. I'm suggesting that an effective debunking of Judy Wood would be nice to see from professional debunkers. Go ahead.

 

[WTC Dust]

In all seriousness, from one research scientist to another: You may not be as funny as our previous champion parodist, but you're much better at staying in character. So far as I can recall, no JREF parodist has surpassed your portrayal of the utter cluelessness and Dunning-Kruger^WPness we've come to associate with arrogant, lying truthers.

Nothing you've said touches me. I'm neither arrogant, nor lying.

 

[DGM]

This is the JREF forums, and clairvoyance is frowned upon here. Please don't claim to know what other people know. It makes you seem like a believer in the paranormal.

No steel beams in the floors? Hahaha! Wrong.

Don't you mean "trusses"? Can you describe these "beams"?

 

[WTC Dust]

There is always steam under the streets of NYC. And for about six months, there were ground fires until they dug up the last of the buried Class A fuels. To a lunatic like whacky old Judy, this was something sinister. To a trained fire fighter, it is the predictable result of the biggest bloody fire-related catastrophe that most of them will ever witness.

So what is odd about it and what is your authority on the fact that it should not have been like that?

Cite a really good authority, because you have at least four experienced fire fighters looking at this thread. We get a little huffy when somebody tries to feed us mushroom food, especially if it some clueless dork posing as a scientist.

Do a google search on "World Trade Center stench" or "smell" and you will understand why New Yorkers knew it wasn't steam.