Will the internet survive energy contraction?

[Roboramma]

Well, I'm speaking of pre tribal humanity.

What pre tribal humanity?

Even in tribal humanity, they couldn't erect the destruction on the level our industrial civilization currently is.

But nor could they protect life on the level that we currently are. And environmental and biophilic ideas are only just starting to have an effect on human behavior. I think it likely that the biosphere is likely to be more well taken care of with human beings capable of understanding what it is actively protecting it than simply by removing our power to do much but also our understanding of what it is that needs to be protected, or that need at all.

Extinction isn't my concern so much, that's natural to evolution. Destruction of the biosphere is the problem though.

Extinction isn't your concern?

You don't care about homo sapiens. Now it seems you don't care about any other specific species either. If no specific species has value, what value is there in the biosphere as a whole? Unlike you me and a chimpanzee, the biosphere isn't even conscious.

Yes, extinction is natural, but the rate of extinction is something that varies. And it increased a great deal during the spread of humanity over the globe.

 

[TFian]

What pre tribal humanity?

Band societies. Which were quite egalitarian I should add.

But nor could they protect life on the level that we currently are.

But we don't.

And environmental and biophilic ideas are only just starting to have an effect on human behavior. I think it likely that the biosphere is likely to be more well taken care of with human beings capable of understanding what it is actively protecting it than simply by removing our power to do much but also our understanding of what it is that needs to be protected, or that need at all.

That's highly optimistic.

Extinction isn't your concern?

Not when it happens naturally and gradually.

You don't care about homo sapiens.

I've stated this before. My ideal earth would be one without humans.

Now it seems you don't care about any other specific species either. If no specific species has value, what value is there in the biosphere as a whole?

I care about mother nature as a whole.

Yes, extinction is natural, but the rate of extinction is something that varies.

Which has grown exponentially with the arrival of humans and industrial civilization.

And it increased a great deal during the spread of humanity over the globe.

Yes, and it's been a very bad thing thus far.

 

[TFian]

If you really want to talk about it then I will discuss it with you. I will start a thread on the difference between normal and functioning.

Alright, I'd like to know what the difference is. Start the thread at your leisure.

 

[TFian]

You can get help without medication, you are depressed , get help.

Without medication? From whom? I don't trust psychologists. They are rapists and only want to get you addicted to their substances. They have zero intention of helping you.

 

[Roboramma]

Band societies. Which were quite egalitarian I should add.

What do you think the societies that caused the megafauna extinctions were?

But we don't.

Yes, we do. What do you think the endangered species act is? What do you think about the moratorium on whaling?
What do you think nature reserves are? These things are spreading.

That's highly optimistic.

Not really. You aren't the only person who cares about nature. These days such sentiments are more and more common. Go talk to a random stranger and see how they'd feel if you suggested cutting down the redwood forests, for instance.

Not when it happens naturally and gradually.

But if humans lived in a wild state, it wouldn't happen gradually. That's the point: your dream of a utopian wilderness simply doesn't meet with reality.

I've stated this before. My ideal earth would be one without humans.

Yeah, that's why I said you don't care about homo sapiens.

I care about mother nature as a whole.

But none of it's constituent parts? Why? What is it about mother nature that you care about if none of the species that make "her" up?

 

[TFian]

No one, can, which if you read about reality instead of your apocolyptic fairy tales you would know. You can not be forced to take medication against your will. I am very familiar with this, in reality and legal terms.

So, the courts can't force you to take your meds intravenously?

If you go to the ER and are restrained and still threatening harm to others, a doctor may chose (against the law) to give you a short acting sedative.

That's good I stay the hell away from ERs then.

This is however not legal in the majority of states.

That's good to hear.

But it is against the law to force medications on people in any other situations.

Even if you are involuntarily committed to a mental institution?

But it is a myth that people are forced to take psych meds.

I hope that's true.

 

[TFian]

What do you think the societies that caused the megafauna extinctions were?

Those extinction events weren't nearly as bad as the ones going on now. And some of those weren't even caused by humans.

What do you think the endangered species act is?

A decent, but ultimately failed attempt to help endangered species.

What do you think about the moratorium on whaling?

Geopolitics.

What do you think nature reserves are? These things are spreading.

How are they spreading?

Go talk to a random stranger and see how they'd feel if you suggested cutting down the redwood forests, for instance.

That said stranger barely has any control over their own lives, let alone policy within their jurisdiction of habitation. Still, I'll do that and see the responses.

But if humans lived in a wild state, it wouldn't happen gradually.

But it wouldn't happen globally either.

That's the point: your dream of a utopian wilderness simply doesn't meet with reality.

No utopia, it would be brutal, but it would be ecologically sound.

But none of it's constituent parts? Why? What is it about mother nature that you care about if none of the species that make "her" up?

Mother Earth would survive just fine without a few of her parts, especially the more rebellious and destructive parts, like humans.

 

[excaza]

Without medication? From whom? I don't trust psychologists. They are rapists and only want to get you addicted to their substances. They have zero intention of helping you.

My sister is not a rapist.

 

[TFian]

My sister is not a rapist.

Uhm, good?

 

[excaza]

Uhm, good?

You just said my sister is a rapist. She is not. You are making things up again.

 

[TFian]

You just said my sister is a rapist. She is not. You are making things up again.

I don't know your sister, so...no.

 

[excaza]

By the way, how's finding a source for this coming along?

I'm not sure IQ is such a good measure to determine such things. Most blacks for example, have the IQ of an institutionalized retard, yet they seem to be able to achieve self sufficiency, usually.

 

[excaza]

I don't know your sister, so...no.

You said psychologists are rapists, did you not?

 

[TFian]

By the way, how's finding a source for this coming along?

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[excaza]

6 .

You can't answer? Is it so difficult to say that you completely made this up? It's ok to be wrong.

 

[TFian]

You said psychologists are rapists, did you not?

It was a generalization of course. It's nothing personal, I just want them to stay the hell away from me.

 

[excaza]

It was a generalization of course.

Based on what? Was there a sudden influx of rapist psychologists that nobody but you has heard about? Or is it yet another one of your unsupported assertions?

 

[TFian]

Based on what? Was there a sudden influx of rapist psychologists that nobody but you has heard about? Or is it yet another one of your unsupported assertions?

I simply don't trust them, and will resist all attempts for them to rape my mind, and body, if necessary.

 

[excaza]

So, the latter. Gotcha.

Now for that citation! Shouldn't be too hard, should it? You can probably find reams of it from 19th century eugenics "papers"

Or are you afraid of admitting you're a bigot?

 

[TFian]

Now for that citation!

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