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TFian said:
That's not true.
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Yes it is.

We've used herbal medicine for thousands of years.
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Argument from antiquity.

We used herbal medicine for thousands of years, and we died like flies.

Then we got real medicine, and disease and mortality rates plummeted.

Anyway, I wouldn't put anything in my body I wouldn't put in the ground.
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What, like toxic heavy metals?

That's the price I'm willing to pay.
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Why? It's entirely unnecessary and benefits no-one.
 
PixyMisa said:
Argument from antiquity.

We used herbal medicine for thousands of years, and we died like flies.
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Plenty of primitive societies had great life expectancy, and healthy outcomes.

PixyMisa said:
Then we got real medicine, and disease and mortality rates plummeted.
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It has more to do with hygiene than medicine.

PixyMisa said:
What, like toxic heavy metals?
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Why would I put heavy metal toxins in the ground??

PixyMisa said:
Why? It's entirely unnecessary and benefits no-one.
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Again, I don't trust anyone else with my own health.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
Have you considered psychiatric help? I'm serious, it sounds like you've got a serious case of paranoia.
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That'd be kind of a catch 22, wouldn't it? But anyway, I have my reasons. I most certainly wouldn't trust psychiatric medicine.
 
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TFian said:
Plenty of primitive societies had great life expectancy, and healthy outcomes.
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No. No they didn't.

It has more to do with hygiene than medicine.
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Hygiene plays an important role, particularly in avoiding water-borne diseases like cholera.

But it's just one part of the story, and it's part of the story of medicine.

Why would I put heavy metal toxins in the ground??
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Why would you put them in your body?

Again, I don't trust anyone else with my own health.
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Then you're a fool.
 
Here's a hint:

Wikipedia said:
A 2004 study found such toxic metals in 20% of ayurvedic preparations that were made in South Asia for sale around Boston and extrapolated the data to the United States more broadly. It concluded that excess consumption of these products could cause health risks. A 2008 study of more than 230 products found that approximately 20% of remedies (and 40% of rasa shastra medicines) purchased over the Internet from both US and Indian suppliers contained lead, mercury or arsenic.
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TFian said:
Yes they did.
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Which ones? What sort of life expectancy are you talking about here? 40 years? 50? That would have been pretty impressive, but it still doesn't compare to the sort of life expectancy that you can get with modern medicine.

See here for instance: http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-166092448/longevity-among-hunter-gatherers.html
There is some variability among groups. Among traditional hunter-gatherers, the average life expectancy at birth varies from 21 to 37 years, the proportion surviving to age 45 varies between 26 percent and 43 percent, and life expectancy at age 45 varies from 14 to 24 years. Ache show higher infant and child survivorship than the other groups, and Agta mortality is high at all ages. These patterns are verified in the parameter estimates of the Siler model. Initial immature mortality for the Ache is about half that of other foragers, while for the Agta it is two to three times greater.
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Who says I do?
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Did you click the link?
 
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TFian said:
Well, I'm not sure if I'm really devoting much energy at all in this thread. I usually do it inbetween homework, watching tv, or on the phone with friends. I'm more interested in putting humans in their proper place, as Paul Kingsnorth puts it, than preaching doom.
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They are in their proper place, you mean something else?
 
TFian said:
What do you mean tools for making tools? Why define intelligence by "Tools making tools", "Recursive syntax", and "The ability to think about and plan for situations removed in space and time", whatever that means. What if chimps began farming? Why not include bees, with their structured hierarchy and system of laws? There's a number of other examples to choose from. Don't think we should ignore them.
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What examples are you referencing and not mentioning, those are teh defintions they used.

You need to define your own.

Bees do not have 'laws' as in social mores.
 
TFian said:
Actually they do. They even hold elections.

Martin Lindauer: Communication among social bees, Harvard University Press (Cambridge 1971); Harvard books in biology #2.

Mary R. Myerscough: Dancing for a decision: a matrix model for nest-site choice by honeybees, Proc. Royal Soc. London B 270 (2003) 577-582.

Thomas D. Seeley, P. Kirk Visscher, Kevin M. Passino: Group Decision Making in Honey Bee Swarms, American Scientist 94 (May-June 2006) 220-229.

Thomas D. Seeley & P. Kirk Visscher: Quorum sensing during nest-site selection by honey bee swarms, Behavioral Ecology and Sociobiology 56 (2004) 594-601. http://bees.ucr.edu/reprints/bes56.pdf
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Maybe you and american english don't get along so well, those are not 'elections'.

Ant trails are not elections either, they are self reinfocing.
 
TFian said:
They can be. Our laws only exist within the realm of our ways of communication.



Sure it is. Albeit less sophisticated mind you.
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Not unless you want to just define it by your personal idiom. That is not 'election' in the sense of they 'they held an election to chose the board member'.

This is not an election, this is a process of self reinforcement, the worker will try to take other workers to the site.

Then there are other workers trying to recruit for the other queens (recruits as in filler word), say that there are two sites and they are both equal, what happens?

Stop and think TFian, what mechanical process of bees moving back and forth occurs, what happen if with two equal sites the wind previals to send more workers to site A?

Think about it and answer.
 
TFian said:
"Chimps, dolphins, elephants" and the like can live just fine without human support. You can't say the same with retards however.
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Using terminology you don't understand, what is the cutoff IQ wise for 'mental retardation' and how many fall within 10 points of the cutoff?
 
TFian said:
Unfortunately the current biosphere is probably beyond redemption because of man's current wasteful destructive ways. However I'm sure new biospheres will form in the future, absent of man, and will likely thrive without us.
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Another one for the pile of unfounded assertions.

BTW, why are there so few trees on the african veldt? (In its setting before modern agriculture.)
 
TFian said:
But I don't buy them from India. Not for a long time at least.
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Are you really naive enough to believe that only India has issues with quality-control in herbal medicine? This link here suggests that a quarter of Chinese natural medicines contain unlabelled quantities of actual pharmacological adulterants.

One of the major problems -- worldwide -- with herbal medicine is that it's more or less completely unregulated. You have literally no idea what you're putting in your body.

Even if you grow your own, there's a tremendous difficulty with establishing consistency of dosage, which means that the same teaspoonful that contains a "therapeutic" dose today might be a lethal one tomorrow.

Basically, herbal medicine is worse than useless. As Pixy pointed out.
 
TFian said:
That'd be kind of a catch 22, wouldn't it? But anyway, I have my reasons. I most certainly wouldn't trust psychiatric medicine.
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Well, uh, enjoy your premature death, I guess?


Really, you seem to have deep issues. But there's only so much one can do on a forum.
 
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