Homosexuality is a choice

Bishadi said:
how many people have you MET personally that were born from anything other than male and female copulation?



but i will bet a my life on it, you haven't met a person born from same sex copulation.
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And this proves....what?

All I know is that if I saw my girlfriend having sex with another woman, you bet your bottom it would make me want to have sex with her right then and there. :)

Now if that happens, and my girlfriend got pregnant because of that, isn't that a homosexual act that eventually leads to a birth?
 
HansMustermann said:
Last I learned some basic biology -- although I realize that anything requiring paying attention is school is above your level, but bear with me --
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why......... you bare no intent of good but prefer to insult?

such decisions happened in the brain, not in the dick.
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and why the preference is learned. As the brain is what caused the action, not instinct, not genetics, not because a person is born happy.


homosexual actions, are a choice (of the brain)

when you get one, you may comprehend how it works



You know, neurons, synapses, and all that.
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you forgot glial as that is where memories are stored.

Are you trying to tell us that you have such decisions taken autonomously by your dick, and generally you think with your dick?
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that is what a happy person may believe

but a normal person already comprehends a human being has the ability to be responsible and capable of empathy over selfish PREFERENCES as being the measure before acting.


nothing i say is to harm anyone but to enable the truth of the matter to be known by each individual personally.


Some think that psychology can describe a sexual orientation of a living form while anyone with any sense for reality already knows, that the gender is the best method of identifying a biological life's sexual orientation.

many who decieve or deny reality are simply trying to hold onto something that is not true. It would be like tiger wood telling people he aint black because he has white in his lineage.
 
JFrankA said:
And this proves....what?

All I know is that if I saw my girlfriend having sex with another woman, you bet your bottom it would make me want to have sex with her right then and there. :)

Now if that happens, and my girlfriend got pregnant because of that, isn't that a homosexual act that eventually leads to a birth?
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you would make a fine attorney
 
Bishadi said:
why......... you bare no intent of good but prefer to insult?
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No, it's just a statement of fact. Anyone whose support of brain wiring is to look between the legs, has failed basic biology majorly.

Bishadi said:
and why the preference is learned. As the brain is what caused the action, not instinct, not genetics, not because a person is born happy.


homosexual actions, are a choice (of the brain)

when you get one, you may comprehend how it works
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That's more postulates. As I was saying, actual MRI studies show that there is wiring in a homosexual brain that is (A) like that of the opposite gender, (B) in the part of the wiring formed in the womb, (C) not the kind of wiring that's ever known to change afterwards, (D) not the kind formed by learning anything.

Basically, as I was saying before, if you want to claim a different model of brain development than the doctors use, then the burden of proof is on you.

And, no, something as stonking stupid as looking between your legs to determine brain wiring isn't really proof.

Bishadi said:
you forgot glial as that is where memories are stored.
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LOL. WUT? No really, that's priceless.

Bishadi said:
that is what a happy person may believe

but a normal person already comprehends a human being has the ability to be responsible and capable of empathy over selfish PREFERENCES as being the measure before acting.


nothing i say is to harm anyone but to enable the truth of the matter to be known by each individual personally.


Some think that psychology can describe a sexual orientation of a living form while anyone with any sense for reality already knows, that the gender is the best method of identifying a biological life's sexual orientation.

many who decieve or deny reality are simply trying to hold onto something that is not true. It would be like tiger wood telling people he aint black because he has white in his lineage.
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So basically more of your own unsupported BS postulates? I asked for evidence not for more made up BS.
 
HansMustermann said:
No, it's just a statement of fact. Anyone whose support of brain wiring is to look between the legs, has failed basic biology majorly.
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no wires in the brain

just a statement of fact

That's more postulates.
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just a statement of fact
As I was saying, actual MRI studies show that there is wiring
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no wiring in brains.....just a statement of fact


and an MRI proves that the brain is not running like a computer (electrical binary operations via "wiring"

The comprehension is easy; anything of electrical currents would be damaged by a 1.8 tesla magnetic field.

just a statement of fact

in a homosexual brain that is (A) like that of the opposite gender, (B) in the part of the wiring formed in the womb, (C) not the kind of wiring that's ever known to change afterwards, (D) not the kind formed by learning anything.
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so when you can provide evidence, that via an MRI test on 10,000 babies (infants), and you can predict with a greater than even 51%, that your ascertion is true, then you can use that analogy as evidence.

otherwise you are ranting

just a statement of fact

Basically, as I was saying before, if you want to claim a different model of brain development than the doctors use, then the burden of proof is on you.
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in the early 80's i did write a paper rendering the brain is not operating on electrical exchanges at the synaptic junctions.

ie... i was into the physics, biology and molecular make up of the brain before i was 16 yrs old.

wrong subject

not to mention that pursuing causal understanding of life is what i do for a living
And, no, something as stonking stupid as looking between your legs to determine brain wiring isn't really proof.
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heck many believe they are superman and jump of a building because of the same kind of wiring you are leaning on (ignorance). Are we to suppose you have an answer for that too?

So basically more of your own unsupported BS postulates? I asked for evidence not for more made up BS.
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mankind is capable of choice just a statement of fact


and to comprehend that desires are not what rules, is somethng many teach their own kids at a very young age

but then again, if all kids believed that same sex fun is just 'normal', then with more of the unsupervised (uneducated) children running around, slumber parties for children would never be the same.
 
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SezMe said:
Fine. You can call it a cheese soufflé for all I care. Now, could you answer the question.
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I wouldn't get my hopes up. Given his failures in understanding how science works and the need to provide proof it seems unlikely that an answer from him would have much value.

Hot tip, the words STATEMENT OF FACT in bold and all caps don't qualify as evidence.
 
Seconded. Just calling your BS postulates and gross misunderstandings "statement of fact" doesn't make it evidence. Support your claims or take a hike, really.
 
HansMustermann said:
Seconded. Just calling your BS postulates and gross misunderstandings "statement of fact" doesn't make it evidence. Support your claims or take a hike, really.
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did you come from the copulation between a man and women?

when you asnwer that, you have evidence!

when i claim a human mind is not based on electricity and wires; to put your head into an MRI and still live, you have evidence!


When i show homosexuals that what they have been led to believe is a lie, then to look at the post of people making their choice over being honest, you can witness evidence of denial.


When reality slaps people in the face, many are not happy; YOU are evidence!
 
Bishadi said:
you would make a fine attorney
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Let me put it this way:

There are some species of animals on this planet that do use homosexuality to aid or even procreate. Now I've given an example of how one species (humans) might use it as an option, I've also given another example (a few pages back) of how another species has to uses homosexuality in order to procreate.

Since it's your claim that homosexuality is not a part of the natural order to procreate, I have shown two examples where you are clearly wrong: one by choice, one by instinct.

Both times I've pointed it out (and a few times when others have show you were incorrect), you've side stepped the question.

you would make a fine attorney politician....
 
JFrankA said:
Let me put it this way:

There are some species of animals on this planet that do use homosexuality to aid or even procreate.
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There are always exceptions

Now I've given an example of how one species (humans) might use it as an option,
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because a human can create all kinds of options

and even exceptions


I've also given another example (a few pages back) of how another species has to uses homosexuality in order to procreate.
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but YOU didnt come from that did you?

heck i could show examples of people doing donkeys or dogs, even dead people in the morgue.

How about pedophilia in the religious sectors?

Lots of example of exceptions.
Since it's your claim that homosexuality is not a part of the natural order to procreate, I have shown two examples where you are clearly wrong: one by choice, one by instinct.
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'clearly'?


funny
Both times I've pointed it out (and a few times when others have show you were incorrect), you've side stepped the question.
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there is no question

Homosexual acts by human beings are of choice

otherwise if the person is not capable of choice, then they are not conscious (capable of their own choice)!

get over it!



this thread is about as rude as i have seen on this subject all because some will just whine and cry and tell the whole world, "it aint my fault"


the selfish do not believe, comprehend or maintain personal responsibility

no need, as it seems to many within the medical field, that if they cant cut out the cancer, then chemotherapy may be required!



So tell me, is chemo an option? (be fair; if the life is of who is so dear to you was going to die, would you vote for chemo as a last resort?)
 
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Bishadi said:
did you come from the copulation between a man and women?

when you asnwer that, you have evidence!

when i claim a human mind is not based on electricity and wires; to put your head into an MRI and still live, you have evidence!


When i show homosexuals that what they have been led to believe is a lie, then to look at the post of people making their choice over being honest, you can witness evidence of denial.


When reality slaps people in the face, many are not happy; YOU are evidence!
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In fairness, "brain wiring" is an idiomatic expression. It's a bit unreasonable to expect a non native English speaker to understand the full meaning of that phrase. Things like humor and speaking figuratively are very hard to understand even for people who have spent years learning a language.

Of course you still haven't shown anyone that what they believe is a lie because you can produce no evidence for that.
 
Bishadi said:
There are always exceptions
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So if the "exceptions" occur in nature, and further used in a process to procreate, how is homosexuality not natural?

because a human can create all kinds of options

and even exceptions
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So exceptions in nature (which you are siting as your stance) doesn't count?

but YOU didnt come from that did you?
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Were you there? Did you see my parents procreate??????

....I didn't realize how kinky you are! :)

heck i could show examples of people doing donkeys or dogs, even dead people in the morgue.

How about pedophilia in the religious sectors?
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What is your point here? That people have different kinks? Do you honestly think that people CHOOSE their kink? And couldn't a pedophilia sexual encounter produce a pregnancy?

By your own "definition" pedophilia is a natural, normal, honest thing as well. More honest, in fact, according to your definition than homosexuality.

...interesting...

Lots of example of exceptions.
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If the truth has exemptions, that means it's not 100% the truth is it?


there is no question

Homosexual acts by human beings are of choice

otherwise if the person is not capable of choice, then they are not conscious (capable of their own choice)!

get over it!


this thread is about as rude as i have seen on this subject all because some will just whine and cry and tell the whole world, "it aint my fault"


the selfish do not believe, comprehend or maintain personal responsibility
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Not so black and white. It's a choice to not to act upon a sexual attraction, not to have one happen. That's the major difference that you are missing.

Just because a person is aroused by the same sex does not mean they CHOSE to be aroused by the same sex, they just happen to be so. Some people are aroused by the same sex depending on the situation or the person involved (as is the case with my girlfriend).

Your judgement of people being selfish for enjoying sex tells me that you believe that sex is ONLY for procreation, period. If that is what you believe, then that explains a lot to me.

Further, what is wrong with sex for pleasure? Do people eat EXACTLY what they need to in order to function or do they eat some food for pleasure? Sex between people is more than procreation, it's also used as communication, affection, apology, gift, creative outlet, etc.

Why are you so against sex for pleasure?

Now if I am wrong in your beliefs, then explain it some more because, I'm sorry, you are coming off as very judgmental and superior.

no need, as it seems to many within the medical field, that if they cant cut out the cancer, then chemotherapy may be required!

So tell me, is chemo an option? (be fair; if the life is of who is so dear to you was going to die, would you vote for chemo as a last resort?)
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I'm sorry, WTF is your point here?
 
As a Gay male I'm trying to understand how anyone could possibly think that I would one day wake up and chose to find a guy sexually attractive!? Yep it is so believable that that I would chose to get an erection over some great looking guy, not!

So just a question to those clueless enough to think I choose to be turned on by guys, just when did you chose to be turned on by gals? And please why don't you right now chose to be turned on by guys; if only for an hour.
 
As a straight male, I'm finding the idea that I could choose to be gay beyond silly. Still waiting to find out how old Bishardi was when he made the decision to become straight.
 
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