Open Letter to Dave Thomas

[ergo]

The relevance is that you made an incorrect claim that temperature was a measure of heat energy, which it is not. Farenhiet, celsius, and kelvin are not measures of energy...joules, calories, btu, killowatt hours are.

That is why it has come up, so far as i can see, from my perspective. If others are keeping on about it for other reasons, then they can answer you.

Okay, it's a measurement of the movement of particles. Your distinction is merely between temperature and units of temperature.

And this is not why it has come up. Big Al brought it up specifically, for reasons that he never followed through on. Probably because he realized there is absolutely no relevance.

 

[T.A.M.]

I was indicating my reason for entering the fray. That is all.

TAM

 

[uke2se]

Okay, it's a measurement of the movement of particles. Your distinction is merely between temperature and units of temperature.

And this is not why it has come up. Big Al brought it up specifically, for reasons that he never followed through on. Probably because he realized there is absolutely no relevance.

Lying like this makes you look stupid.

 

[BigAl]

Okay, it's a measurement of the movement of particles. Your distinction is merely between temperature and units of temperature.

And this is not why it has come up. Big Al brought it up specifically, for reasons that he never followed through on. Probably because he realized there is absolutely no relevance.

Showing your ignorance of physics and what happened on 9/11 is never irrelevant.

 

[BigAl]

Where did Trifor go?




Temperature is a measurement, tfk. It does not "cause" changes in temperature itself. It does not cause anything. It's a measurement. Do you disagree with this?

I suspect bedunkers are either misunderstanding their own distinction, or they've made the wrong distinction.

Temperature is a property of matter whether you measure it or not.

Either way, no one here has bothered explaining the relevance of the distinction between heat and temperature to our discussion of fires that burn purely vs. fires that exude a lot of smoke. Do you know what relevance is?

It is temperature that makes steel lose it's strength and expand and contract and that's what made WTC7 collapse.

 

[Dave Rogers]

And this is not why it has come up. Big Al brought it up specifically, for reasons that he never followed through on. Probably because he realized there is absolutely no relevance.

As I recall, he was trying to point out that smouldering fires, while they release less heat than fast-burning fires, can nevertheless attain the same temperatures if sufficiently well insulated, and it's the final temperature attained rather than the rate of heat transfer that reduces the structural strength of steel. Not that it matters, because the fires in the WTC towers prior to collapse are well-documented to have been extensive and fast-burning, and it's the attempts by various liars to deny the obvious that are what's truly irrelevant here.

Dave

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Okay, it's a measurement of the movement of particles. Your distinction is merely between temperature and units of temperature.

Nope. You still don't get it, even after at least four people have given you perfectly adequate explanations of the distinction between temperature and heat energy.

And this is not why it has come up. Big Al brought it up specifically, for reasons that he never followed through on. Probably because he realized there is absolutely no relevance.

No, ergo, you were arguing with BigAl about temperature when you introduced the relationship between temperature and heat energy via one of your many blunders:

Simplify much?

Temperature is a function of input (combustion) and output (convection, radiation and conduction). An enclosed smoldering fire can be as hot as open flame.

Lol. Which is why smoldering fires don't produce the same amount of heat.

It's so easy to confuse heat and temperature if you've never passed a physics course.

BigAl's comment was spot on. He was talking about temperature. You then initiated this digression by confusing heat with temperature.

That remains relevant because it's one of the several conceptual failures from which you've been trying to concoct an argument.

Blaming BigAl and other "bee dunkers" for your confusion is a transparent dodge. They aren't responsible for your ignorance of physics.

 

[ergo]

Temperature is a property of matter whether you measure it or not.

Wrong. You're obviously thinking of heat, aka thermal energy.

It is temperature that makes steel lose it's strength and expand and contract and that's what made WTC7 collapse.

Wrong. Temperature is a value. It does not cause things to get hot or cold, it measures that hotness or coldness.

What are you on?

 

[Dave Rogers]

Wrong. You're obviously thinking of heat, aka thermal energy.

Wrong. Temperature is a physical property. It may be defined as the property which determines the direction of heat flow between two bodies, such that heat flows from higher to lower temperatures.

Wrong. Temperature is a value. It does not cause things to get hot or cold, it measures that hotness or coldness.

Wrong. A temperature scale is what measures the hotness or coldness of an object, but its temperature has a physical reality independent of being measured. Nor does temperature cause things to get hot or cold - something I don't think anyone but you has suggested - but many properties of materials, including the structural strength of steel, are functions solely of their temperature.

What are you on?

Planet Earth, unlike some.

Dave

 

[Newtons Bit]

Wrong. You're obviously thinking of heat, aka thermal energy.




Wrong. Temperature is a value. It does not cause things to get hot or cold, it measures that hotness or coldness.

What are you on?

Reality. Read his post again. He stated that it is temperature that causes steel to lose its strength. This is correct. See below.

 

[dtugg]

Wow. What a moron. Hey moron, in the future I advise you to look up terms you don't understand (such as "temperature^WP") before attempting to school people who actually understand what they are talking about. Failure to do this will only further expose how much of a moron you are.

 

[carlitos]

Temperature is a property of matter whether you measure it or not.

Wrong. You're obviously thinking of heat, aka thermal energy.

ergo is clearly a disinfo agent planted at the JREF to make the "truth" people look bad.

 

[ergo]

Wrong. Temperature is a physical property. It may be defined as the property which determines the direction of heat flow between two bodies, such that heat flows from higher to lower temperatures.

You are describing differences in temperature. What causes differences in temperature?

Wrong. A temperature scale is what measures the hotness or coldness of an object, but its temperature has a physical reality independent of being measured. Nor does temperature cause things to get hot or cold - something I don't think anyone but you has suggested - but many properties of materials, including the structural strength of steel, are functions solely of their temperature.

!!! Now you're just lying!! Look a few posts up. See what I said.

You guys are unbelievable. This is too funny.

 

[uke2se]

You are describing differences in temperature. What causes differences in temperature?



!!! Now you're just lying!! Look a few posts up. See what I said.

You guys are unbelievable. This is too funny.

ergo demonstrates the definition of a closed mind. No interest in the truth. No real knowledge. No interest in learning anything.

Time to give up, guys. This one's a gonner.

 

[DGM]

Time to give up, guys. This one's a gonner.

I've got the Stundie thread open so I can post the next analogy he comes up with to "prove everyone wrong".

I'm sure he's got a couple more "winners" in him.

 

[Dave Rogers]

You are describing differences in temperature. What causes differences in temperature?

According to you, measurement of two temperatures that aren't the same. What causes differences in temperature is irrelevant to the question of whether temperature is a physical property.

!!! Now you're just lying!! Look a few posts up. See what I said.

Yes, I saw what you said; you pretended that someone had suggested that temperature is what causes things to be hot or cold, so that you could pretend that everyone else was wrong. I'm pointing out to you that you're the only one who mentioned it.

Dave

 

[carlitos]

Do you know what relevance is?

Here is ergo's hypothesis that explains the events of 9/11 ___________________.

Here is how some anomaly (temperature? smoke?) fits into the above ___________________________.

 

[alienentity]

Ergo, you appear to be in the grip of a delusion that you can never be wrong. Unfortunately, you have already been beaten at your own arguments, because most of them are based on either faulty logic, incorrect application of terms and other obvious errors (as has been pointed out to you by many different posters).

Basically the rest of the participants in the thread are waiting to see if the penny will drop, or if you are completely incapable of learning and correcting your errors.

It's no big deal, and no skin off our noses, so to speak. You're not going to change reality, so you're not a threat to us; if you decide to join the ranks of the rational and the sane, I am confident there will be no grudge held against you. I hope you change your mind,I really do - for your sake, not ours.

 

[ergo]

According to you, measurement of two temperatures that aren't the same. What causes differences in temperature is irrelevant to the question of whether temperature is a physical property.

Temperature is a physical property, just like colour or dimension, but it does not cause weakening of steel, as ozeco suggested. Weakening of steel occurs at a particular temperature, which itself is a measurement of the intensity of the thermal energy in the steel. You change temperature by changing the level or intensity of heat, not the other way around.

You are confusing correlation with causation. Temperature is not some cosmic thermostat. The Stundies belong to you.

 

[ergo]

It's ironic that Big Al brought this up, since obviously many of you really don't understand the difference.

So where does one nominate for Stundies? I've got a good list of you all here.