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Retired NASA "expert" Inspires Balsamo Fraud?

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Why does Balsamo make up fake Vg diagrams? What is a Vg diagram and how does it relate to Deets? Who cares ...

Balsamo, the leader of p4t delusions, uses "experts" to increase DVD sales, spread the same old moronic delusions and mislead people with his paranoid anti-intellectual, anti-American illogical conspiracy theories. Balsamo continues with the do nothing no evidence stand with his lie, "we do not offer theory". By using an "expert's" opinion, Balsamo deceives the gullible followers with secondhand failed opinions as evidence. Balsamo insulates himself from being the one who lies by using hearsay and opinions from Deets, for instance. Balsamo does not make the moronic claims, he makes them dumber. Balsamo uses what Deets says to support his theories, theories which he claims he does not offer.

Over 9 years, has Balsamo positioned himself as one of the dumbest pilot on earth, right behind his membership pilots, on 911 issues? Balsamo claims, "we do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time". What do you expect with over 9 years of failure? But the offer no theory is a lie. With John Lear, Balsamo proves he offers theory, delusional theories.

John Lear: Well, you know, five minutes after it happened, I knew that it was a scam. ... No Boeing 757 ever crashed into the Pentagon. No Boeing 757 ever crashed at Shanksville. ... And no Arab hijacker, ever in a million years, ever flew into the World Trade Center. And if you got 30 minutes I'll tell you exactly why he couldn't do it the first time. Now, I'd have trouble doing it the first time.

Rob Balsamo: Yeah, same here.

Balsamo has comprehension problems. He supports delusions; he agreed 77 did not crash into the Pentagon, no 757 at Shanksville, no Arab terrorists flying jets into the WTC. Lear and Balsamo admit they are not able to fly as good as terrorists that hit buildings on their first heavy jet flight. Terrorist 75 percent, Balsamo and Lear claim zero percent.


What is a Vg diagram? Here is a T-37 Vg diagram.
T-37Vgdiagram.jpg


Balsamo took 767 speeds and placed them in an educational Vg diagram, removing the real speeds. Look at the T-37 graph. And then below at the T-38 diagram. Then see Balsamo's fake 767 Vg diagram and he/she admits it, but implies it is valid.

Vg diagram for a T-38, how would we fake it using a T-37 diagram? Someone needs to explain to Balsamo you can't fake a Vg diagram for an aircraft just adding numbers to another Vg diagram.
T-38Vgdiagram.jpg


Balsamo makes up his diagram. He takes numbers from one aircraft and insert them in a generic Vg diagram. TiffanyInLa/Balsamo took a Vg diagram like this. Exactly like this one.
VgdiagrambeforeBalsamodolteditup.gif


Arbitrarily added speeds from a 767 to make it a fake 767 Vg diagram. Balsamo explains this is what he did and then claims 990 broke up in-flight, which is a lie which dovetails with the fake Vg diagram.

VgdiagramBalsamoized.jpg



Balsamo, posing as a girl sock at ATS and other forums, took a Vg diagram and inserted Vspeeds for a 767. Making up evidence to support his delusions, hiding behind a sock. Not news, standard procedure from the 11.2g failed physics pilot who sells delusions. If you need lots of cookies, go over to ATS, see Balsamo starting threads about himself, spewing nonsense, posing as a girl, or implied girl, who is extremely dumb on 911. See the same at
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3611382/4/ ; where else is this fraud being posted... ?


With fake Vg posted, Balsamo claims a 767 would break up past 420 knots, like Flight 990, which did not break up in flight.

What does Boeing say about flight above Vmo?
Exceeding Vmo/Mmo can pose a threat to exceeding design structural integrity and design stability & control criteria of the airplane. At speeds less than Vmo/Mmo the airplane’s flight characteristics have been confirmed by flight testing to meet FAR requirements. At speeds in excess of Vmo/Mmo, however, normal airplane handling characteristics are not assured. http://www.biggles-software.com/soft...40_vmo_mmo.htm
 
Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum said:
John Lear: And if you got 30 minutes I'll tell you exactly why he couldn't do it the first time. Now, I'd have trouble doing it the first time.

Rob Balsamo: Yeah, same here.

Yeah, that must be why they did it in the simulator the first dozen times. :p

John Lear is a special kind of stupid that makes even Jerry Leaphart, Judy Wood and our dear departed Pookzta look positively lucid. We're talking blue skies*, green hills*, lakes full of fish* and human communities* on the frakking Moon stupid here.

*Not exaggerations, Lear actually says this.
 
John Lear goes stark raving timecube:

The Color of the Lunar Sky
An Opinion by John Lear


The daytime sky on the moon is not black.

It could be yellow. It could be blue. It could be red.

But it is not black.

The reason for the lie the sky is black on the moon is that if it were yellow or blue or red or another color then that would mean the moon has an atmosphere through which the sun rays shine, turning the sky a color.

And if the moon has an atmosphere then it has gravity which holds the atmosphere in place.

If it has an atmosphere and gravity then most everything you have been told about the moon is a lie.

And you have been told a lie.

Please don’t bother telling me how many laws of physics and books of knowledge and reams of scientific evidence prove I’m wrong. I not interested in the depth of your ignorance. There are a few that know I am right. There are also a few that are shaking in their boots trying to figure out how they are going to get this back in the bottle. And you know what? I haven’t even told you half of it. Going Kilo Kilo.

And this is the star player of Pilots for Twoof.
 
John Lear goes stark raving timecube:



And this is the star player of Pilots for Twoof.

What a freaking lunatic! He clearly knows squat about the moon or air.

Were there an atmosphere, there would be wind. We see sand everywhere. We see no sign anywhere of dunes. There is, thus, no sign that a wind has ever blown there.

"Guanophrenic" does not go far enough to describe this senile old coot.
 
I know every now and then we need to let off a little steam, and pft and their paranoid leader is as good a target as any, but not really much new here. Same old batcraptastic crap.

TAM:)
 
Keep Watching The Skys!

Here's a John Lear prediction from 2008 that failed to materialize. (Edited from this hour and twenty minutes of nuttiness with Paula Gloria and Lear.)

 
I know every now and then we need to let off a little steam, and pft and their paranoid leader is as good a target as any, but not really much new here. Same old batcraptastic crap.

TAM:)
The fake diagram at ATS showed up in a thread about Deets. Balsamo took Deets doubts over speed of 175 as inspiration to fake a Vg diagram, and claim operation in the red is aircraft breakup. He used analogies to flight 990.

Not much new, just a new expert to use and a fake Vg diagram. Same old Balsamo, posing as someone else, like he did using Turbofan's account, using an expert's delusions to spread lies, and fake science.

This is the future of 911 truth. p4t will recycle the old claims when new paranoid conspiracy theorist spring up. We have Balsamo doing this with Lear, and now Deets. Like bad b-movies, where we suffered through Zombies, then Zombies2 introducing John Lear, and Zombies3 with Deets being used by Balsamo and 911 truth.

I have never hear of the ELT scam from 911 truth; in the Deets thread, Deets has a delusion the ELT is a smoking gun "anomaly". Is the ELT a new item. If it is new, it is pathetic, it is based on news reports in 2001! That will make for a Zombie4, the Resurrection.

I thought faking the Vg diagram overtly was a new level of stupid.
 
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Please don’t bother telling me how many laws of physics and books of knowledge and reams of scientific evidence prove I’m wrong. I not interested in the depth of your ignorance.

.........huh???
 
Oh god Balsamo really is pretending to be a girl.

What is this guy's problem? Didn't think he could be convincing enough as an old man pilot who isn't really a pilot?

I wonder if he still holds on to his "undetected flyover in broad daylight" theory?
 
Oh god Balsamo really is pretending to be a girl.

What is this guy's problem? Didn't think he could be convincing enough as an old man pilot who isn't really a pilot?

I wonder if he still holds on to his "undetected flyover in broad daylight" theory?
1Balsamocultmembernot.jpg


His avatar looks something like this. Pretending to be TiffanyInLa, Balsamo brings out his aerodynamic hoax, in a we got a new "expert" thread about Deets.
If you are going to spread lies, having an avatar like this might help the fake Vg diagram scam.

In ieSpell, TiffanyInLa is corrected to Denyingly. better get back to work
 
Why does Balsamo make up fake Vg diagrams? What is a Vg diagram and how does it relate to Deets? Who cares ...

Balsamo, the leader of p4t delusions, uses "experts" to increase DVD sales, spread the same old moronic delusions and mislead people with his paranoid anti-intellectual, anti-American illogical conspiracy theories. Balsamo continues with the do nothing no evidence stand with his lie, "we do not offer theory". By using an "expert's" opinion, Balsamo deceives the gullible followers with secondhand failed opinions as evidence. Balsamo insulates himself from being the one who lies by using hearsay and opinions from Deets, for instance. Balsamo does not make the moronic claims, he makes them dumber. Balsamo uses what Deets says to support his theories, theories which he claims he does not offer.

The very first question one should ask is why is Balsamo posting this garbage at ATS? There are only 3-4 people there knowledgeable enough to even discuss this issue intelligently. The remainder are paranoid wackos eager to swallow his putrid slop which poses as legitimate opinion and valid evidence for ignorant twoofers. Why isn't he discussing this at pprune or publishing it in Aviation Week.......?

The reason is that it is his typical garbage posing as pseudo expert testimony to support delusions of the gullible minions at ATS. He would be destroyed at a legitimate professional site with knowledgeable non-deluded experts.

There is no doubt that "TiffanyinLA" is Balsamo posting under one of the dozens of aliases he has on the 'net. Yet, he has denied it apparently thinking that most everyone who's had dealings with him can't recognize his inflated ego, bullying tactics among other unique posting style.

He misrepresents the meaning and interpretation of his made-up vg diagram. He lies about his examples with techno babble and repeatedly references his Web Site interspersed with repeated "Appeals to Authority" of of the sycophants in his cult.

I believe he and his cult are no longer a major threat to either attracting a legitimate following of more than a hand full in the aviation community or of influencing all but a few of the remaining twoofers or those who think like the few remaining paranoid morons. He simply does not deserve the attention he craves that a long thread here would provide.

He is quite simply not a credible influence anymore. Please let this thread die!
 
... He is quite simply not a credible influence anymore. Please let this thread die!

It gave me a chance to get out my ATCP 51-3.

... standard Balsamo, making up a Vg diagram using a training aid was incredibly stupid.

The Vg diagram sums up airframe limitations. Boeing guarantees the aircraft will perform according to the specifications published and the aircraft will have a service life specified if flown within the limits of the Vg diagram.

This is what Boeing can say about going faster than Vmo.
Exceeding Vmo/Mmo can pose a threat to exceeding design structural integrity and design stability & control criteria of the airplane. At speeds less than Vmo/Mmo the airplane’s flight characteristics have been confirmed by flight testing to meet FAR requirements. At speeds in excess of Vmo/Mmo, however, normal airplane handling characteristics are not assured. http://www.biggles-software.com/soft...40_vmo_mmo.htm

The main goal of this thread, to give some tools and ideas to understand why photo-shopping a Vg diagram is not reality. Balsamo/TiffanyInLa made up a Vg diagram in seconds, something derived as part of multi-million dollar program that takes years when a new plane is designed and flight tested.

A side issue is how 911 truth uses "experts" like Lear and Deets to support woo, and inspire the need to fake things. These "experts" arrive with the same old lies and no evidence, and p4t/911t use them to sell the same old lies.

We don't need to bash the pilots at p4t who have failed opinions on 911, they do that best when they sign up for p4t. We can supply tools to combat the fraud and lies. Give examples and reference, or ideas to help understand and identify lies about 911.
 
John Lear goes stark raving timecube:



And this is the star player of Pilots for Twoof.


Kind of put the whole thing in perspective. At times, I wonder why anyone listens those folks but I soon realize something: Nobody listens to them. At least nobody who matters, at any rate. Pathetic. I, for one, am very glad Fail-salmo is no longer a commercial pilot. Gives me the willies just thinking of someone like that in control of my airplane.
 
I could be wrong, but I believe the real "TiffanyInLA" was a relative of one of the pilots murdered on September 11th.

Of course, Cap'n Bob has even impersonated me before, so it doesn't surprise me. The man is as sick as they come.
 
4 years, 14,500 posts, beachnut starts first thread!

You were long overdue beachnut.

So Bob-o is posing as a woman now? Does this mean his PFT pic is going to be of him doing a mangina?
 

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