Homosexuality is a choice

Bishadi said:
kind of like it sure wasn't gays that enabled mankind to evolve
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You know, there is a species of bugs that when a male is attracted to a female, but the female has a "boyfriend", the male will disguise himself as a female. He'll then go to the "boyfriend", seduce him and allow the boyfriend to mate with him instead.

This way, the disguised male can then mate with the female while her "boyfriend" is spent.

....isn't this a way homosexuality allows evolution or at the very least, an example of homosexuality being used to "produce babies"?
 
Craig4 said:
Would you care to provide some empirical evidence that Biker Druid (or anyone else) was not born gay?
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take a genetics test or purely look between the babies legs when born.

if there is no genetic difference in which the science can provide EVIDENCE that the child is born hemorphradite, then that child is sexually orientated to the gender it was born as.

any diffference is learned. ie... there is no genetically material evidence that renders a make genetically wants a male part put in them. And anyone who tells you that is a liar.

Same with the female side, there is no gene that makes a women REQUIRE that she has sex with another women.

desires are not genetically driven to contradict the life otherwise they are called genetic mutations and them folks can be assisted.

kind of like the cleft palet, we can assist them versus having to cut everyone elses lip to make them feel better.
What studies of genetics, biology, human sexuality or anything else have you done to come to this conclusion?
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most everything i do is about life and the comperhension of living organisms to the molecular level.



It's entirely possible that Biker Druid was not born gay and his (and everyone else's) sexual orientation is the result of factors we don't fully understand. However, to say it's a fact he wasn't born gay requires far more evidence than your attempts thus far have communicated.
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if the person was born hemorphridite, then gay can apply to the biology if not it is all psychological.

case closed!
 
johnny karate said:
I'm pretty sure most homophobes don't believe in evolution anyway, so I don't see a problem.
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homosexuals cant evolve via the fact of no procreation.

homophobes are the created label of homosexuals just like an atheist is usually an evolved theist.


i do believe this type of conversation will bring out more insults from gay posters reflecting their only capability of defense, then ever seeking the truth of the matter.

Calling me deluted is as good as telling your mother/father that you hate them for living.
 
Bishadi said:
i could care less how you view the lineage of mankind, but your line of life will dies off if you do not procreate. ie... the combination of your mother and father could be wasted by a the selfish choice of actions, by you!
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So what? It's not written in stone that your particular line *has to* carry on for either ethical or evolutionary reasons no matter how long it's been here. The species as a whole is doing just fine. Choice or not, homosexuality will not alter the success of the human race - if it could have, it would have by now, probably a long time ago. So what are you worrying about? In fact, with the numbers we're up to now on earth we could probably do with more gay people - more gays = less new babies, plus they can adopt some of the ones that're here and no one wants...But I guess you're against that too?

And the adoption issue bolsters the altruistic and community oriented aspect of humanity. You don't need to reproduce to play a role in human survival.
 
Bishadi said:
take a genetics test or purely look between the babies legs when born.
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That's the problem right there. Bishadi thinks that external genitalia are the same thing as sexual orientation.

Well, that's just not the case, Bishadi. Sexual orientation is set in the brain, not in the bits. To think otherwise is just plain dumb....no, it's even worse than that. The MA prevents me from being more explicit.
 
Bishadi said:
homosexuals cant evolve via the fact of no procreation.
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You believe that gays don't have children? Really? I just hope your issue is that English is not your first language. In whatever language it is, do they have capital letters? Where you come from do they teach you that evolution works the same for gay people and straight people?
 
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bikerdruid said:
btw, bishadi, for what it's worth, i have met hundreds of people like you in my lifetime.
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bet you havent met one like me.

people that, for whatever reason, flatly refuse to believe the science,
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now you are talking about your own failing. ie... biology tells you your gender and sexual orientation but you can lie to yourself all you like.

i sincerely hope that none of your children turn out to be queer
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bringing in my children?


...you would make their lives a living hell.
and being queer is hard enough without those you love and trust being deluded.
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deluded?

trying to insult me on 2 fronts????
happily my family was not that way.
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some kids believe they are peter pan for a while, but most grow out of it.
what would you do if one of your children turned out to be homosexual?
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teach em the truth of the matter and let them make their own choice.


but it dont mean they can lie to another because they like what they like.

personal responsibility is far more important than your selfish beilefs
 
Red3 said:
So what? It's not written in stone that your particular line *has to* carry on
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i know and why it is a choice.

you can hang yourself too

for either ethical or evolutionary reasons no matter how long it's been here. The species as a whole is doing just fine. Choice or not, homosexuality will not alter the success of the human race
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i know


that is not the argument. The debate is whether it is a choice or is someone born that that.


its a choice, unless hemorphridite.

that is reality and then if any lie to another claiming otherwise, they are the corrupt. Kind of like a preacher telling everyone to pay up or go to hell; just lies that harm others based on the lack of personal responsibility.
 
homosexuals cant evolve via the fact of no procreation.
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Gay people often have children. But let's say you're right, if homosexuality is genetic then gay people are created by random mutations made happen by your beloved, perfect nature. An idea that you won't like (because I'm guessing to you nature = god?) and that's why you're sticking to your tired old line about it being a choice.
 
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Bishadi said:
homosexuals cant evolve via the fact of no procreation.

homophobes are the created label of homosexuals just like an atheist is usually an evolved theist.


i do believe this type of conversation will bring out more insults from gay posters reflecting their only capability of defense, then ever seeking the truth of the matter.

Calling me deluted is as good as telling your mother/father that you hate them for living.
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I don't think the argument is whether or not homosexuals are capable of evolution through procreation. The argument is: Who cares?
 
Alt+F4 said:
You believe that gays don't have children? Really?
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these are the kind of moronic posts that twist up reality.

who claimed gays dont have children?

same sexual intercourse cannot procreate; fact

you are using your own suppositions and trying to invoke an insult but clearly just rendering a lack of reading comprehension


I just hope your issue is that English is not your first language.
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i know it is mine, but if you cant read and simply put a bunch of words together insinuating i said it, shares both ill regard or perhaps just blantant ignorance.

In whatever language it is, do they have capital letters? Where you come from do they teach you that evolution works the same for gay people and straight people?
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Gays that are not hemorphridite are born from what they learned within their environment.

And every child you perhaps even heard of or read about was born by the normal methods of sexual intercourse.
 
Skwinty said:
He then says enviromental issues can be a cause, to which Bikerdruid states that overpopulation is an environmental cause of people being gay.

My question was, how does that influence children, as many gays say they knew they were gay at an early age?
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I think your question is a good one, but I'm not sure science has an answer for it. One can speculate a lot of things, overcrowding producing some sort of hormonal trigger in some people, but it's just theoretical until someone figures out a study to provide evidence one way or another.
 
Red3 said:
Gay people often have children. But let's say you're right, if homosexuality is genetic then gay people are created by random mutations made happen by your beloved, perfect nature.
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if nature was so perfect, we would not be capable of building nuclear weapons not to mention lying to children to make them beleive gay sexual preferences is normal.


An idea that you won't like (because I'm guessing to you nature = god?) and that's why you're sticking to your tired old line about it being a choice.
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you can choose to comprehend and maintain reality in a persepctive of what is real

or not.

i already comprehend the nasties go extinct eventually, irregardless to what i have to say.
 
Bishadi said:
same sexual intercourse cannot procreate; fact
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Er, all it takes is for one gay person to have sex with a straight one and the possibility's there for inheritance. It doesn't have to be a gay couple.
 
So it's my understanding, according to Bishadi, only heterosexual men donate to sperm banks...?

And he knows sexual orientation is decided by gender at birth, without one scientific study to back up his claim?

Fascinating.
 
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