How far have we come with homosexuality?

[SnakeTongue]

Am I alone in reading his words as follows:

He does not encourage young people to have sex, but if they do so they should be able to without fear of prosecution.

Of course he do not encourage young people to have sex.

He is just proposing a change in the law to let people like him do not be criminalized when caught in intercourse with young boys.

Being gay activist do not change the fact that gay people also look after sex with partners of different ages.

 

[commandlinegamer]

I am not so sure.

Most people who espouse this view tend to favor gradated age of consent -- say, do not prosecute two 14-year olds, or a 14 and 15 year olds, but keep 14 and 18, or 15 and 19 illegal. Google "romeo and juliet laws".

That is also what he argues in the article - a tiered level of consent.

 

[bookitty]

Of course he do not encourage young people to have sex.

He is just proposing a change in the law to let people like him do not be criminalized when caught in intercourse with young boys.

Being gay activist do not change the fact that gay people also look after sex with partners of different ages.

Please take the time to actually read what he wrote objectively without allowing your own emotional response to skew your thinking. He specifically states that these laws could be applicable only to same-age couples with a margin of two or three years.

Many heterosexual adults are also attracted to "partners of different ages." This is more socially accepted. If you are concerned about adults taking advantage of teens, you might want to start with the hetro community.

 

[commandlinegamer]

Of course he do not encourage young people to have sex.

He is just proposing a change in the law to let people like him do not be criminalized when caught in intercourse with young boys.

Where in that article, or anywhere else, does he argue that older people exploiting youngsters is acceptable?

 

[I Am The Scum]

He is just proposing a change in the law to let people like him do not be criminalized when caught in intercourse with young boys.

Could you please provide evidence that the man's intent is to allow gay men to have sex with young boys, with impunity?

 

[Mark6]

That is also what he argues in the article - a tiered level of consent.

I see. OK, I take back my earlier post then.

And that invalidates SnakeTongue's claim about "wants to have sex with 14-year olds".

 

[TheAnachronism]

A theory which was "declassified" by a selected group of scientist do not equal being "dismissed" by universal acceptance.

But wasn't it originally classified by an even more select group of scientists in the first place? Why should it have originally gained "universal acceptance," except that people were more than happy to accept it?

The selected group of scientists do not represent the universal understanding, but their personal understanding.

Again, why does this sentiment only apply to the declassification of homosexuality as a paraphilia, and not the original classification of it as such?

 

[SnakeTongue]

Please take the time to actually read what he wrote objectively without allowing your own emotional response to skew your thinking. He specifically states that these laws could be applicable only to same-age couples with a margin of two or three years.

Many heterosexual adults are also attracted to "partners of different ages." This is more socially accepted. If you are concerned about adults taking advantage of teens, you might want to start with the hetro community.

I read enough times.

Why I should not be concerned also with the "homo" community trying to change laws which can affect my future generations?

Have the "homo" community any special rights which free them from being criticized?

 

[Pardalis]

Of course, let the man speak.

This doesn't answer my question at all. It's like your posts have no logical continuity.

Let's sum up our exchange:

1-You talked about paraphilia.

2-I responded that homosexuality isn't classified as paraphilia anymore.

3-you give a quote from the American Psychiatric Association that proves my point.

4-I ask you to explain

5- Then you talk about how your "personal opinion is personal" or such nonsense.

How does that follow? Are you high?

You used the word paraphilia, which is a psychological term. Now you're saying you don't accept the psychiatric community's definition of that term, and are using your own?

 

[HansMustermann]

I read enough times.

Why I should not be concerned also with the "homo" community trying to change laws which can affect my future generations?

Have the "homo" community any special rights which free them from being criticized?

Wait, what? How does that only have to do with the homosexual community? Last I heard, there were plenty of heterosexuals supporting that too. But somehow you manage to find 1 (ONE) homosexual saying it, and suddenly it's about the homosexual community changing your laws. Heh.

 

[bookitty]

I read enough times.

Why I should not be concerned also with the "homo" community trying to change laws which can affect my future generations?

Have the "homo" community any special rights which free them from being criticized?

You should be concerned. There is a very good chance that someone in your future generations will be homosexual. This is a good time to work on changing laws, so that person is born into a world that will offer them acceptance and happiness. (ETA: This refers to same-sex marriage. I was reading a different thread and got off track. Sorry about that.)

As for the age of consent laws, they make sense. I am not in favor of all teens being sexually active at a young age but if there is same age experimentation, it certainly should not be criminalized.

You can criticize any community you like but it is hard to respect an opinion that is based on blind emotion and not logic.

 

[SnakeTongue]

Where in that article, or anywhere else, does he argue that older people exploiting youngsters is acceptable?

In no part.

Still do not change the fact that such change in the law would free people of any age or sexual orientation from being criminalized in a consensual sexual activity with a young person of 14 or more.

This include the gay community, reinforced by the fact he is a gay activist.

Do you think 14 years old is an appropriate age to an young person have sexual relationships with any person older than 13?

I can draw few moral issues from such question, but this would be extensive...

So, I think not. What do you think?

 

[TragicMonkey]

I think there might be a language barrier at work.

 

[SnakeTongue]

Could you please provide evidence that the man's intent is to allow gay men to have sex with young boys, with impunity?

No, I cannot.

 

[SnakeTongue]

This doesn't answer my question at all. It's like your posts have no logical continuity.

Let's sum up our exchange:

1-You talked about paraphilia.

2-I responded that homosexuality isn't classified as paraphilia anymore.

3-you give a quote from the American Psychiatric Association that proves my point.

4-I ask you to explain

5- Then you talk about how your "personal opinion is personal" or such nonsense.

How does that follow? Are you high?

You used the word paraphilia, which is a psychological term. Now you're saying you don't accept the psychiatric community's definition of that term, and are using your own?

Is this debate a scientific work to be presented in a university?

Yes, I do not accept the "American Psychiatric Association definition" of such term.

I am not even close to USA.

If I just want to use Freud's definition, what is the matter?

 

[Pardalis]

Yes, I do not accept the "American Psychiatric Association definition" of such term.

And what are you qualifications and reasons for doing so?

If I just want to use Freud's definition, what is the matter?

There's been a hundred years of psychiatric research, discovery and progress since Freud.

 

[Emet]

If I just want to use Freud's definition, what is the matter?

There's been a hundred years of psychiatric research, discovery and progress since Freud.

And a lot of his ideas have fallen out of favor.

 

[SnakeTongue]

Wait, what? How does that only have to do with the homosexual community? Last I heard, there were plenty of heterosexuals supporting that too. But somehow you manage to find 1 (ONE) homosexual saying it, and suddenly it's about the homosexual community changing your laws. Heh.

The subject in debate is how homosexuality is gong so far with us, human beings.

He is a gay activist and his sexuality come in debate because he is the person proposing the change in the law.

Because heterosexuals also support such change do not change the fact the activist is gay.

Yes, it is about the gay community. He is a gay activist. He represent the gay community.

What else he should represent?

 

[Darat]

I am not so sure.

Most people who espouse this view tend to favor gradated age of consent -- say, do not prosecute two 14-year olds, or a 14 and 15 year olds, but keep 14 and 18, or 15 and 19 illegal. Google "romeo and juliet laws".

That way it is possible to discourage teenagers from having sex yet not prosecute them if they do -- and prosecute anyone older who really should know better.

Anyone who advocates downright reduction of age of consent to 14, without caveats, I consider an ideologue at the very least. Whether they are homo or hetero.

Read the link and you will see he specifically mentions countries that have a "tiered" age of consent (Israel, Italy & Switzerland) and he suggests something similar could be implemented here.

 

[Darat]

Of course he do not encourage young people to have sex.

He is just proposing a change in the law to let people like him do not be criminalized when caught in intercourse with young boys. Being gay activist do not change the fact that gay people also look after sex with partners of different ages.

Read what he actually said - he explicitly does not call for that.