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Hello from a non-skeptic

Robert Oz said:
And so we inevitably arrive back at presumably the two most accurate predictions made over a course of twelve years in a weekly gathering of mediums:

1. Your wife is pregnant with a girl; and

2. A member of the royal family will die within a week.

We, of course, do not have a hit/miss tally recorded for these twelve years, but must nevertheless take the word of a true believer that the mediums were really, really accurate. Maybe even as accurate as Derren Brown.
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Well, you see, there were many, many more accurate and amazing predictions, but if you want to read more about them, you have to buy Charles' book :D
 
I've always wondered at the idea that those who believe in reincarnation always used to be Cleopatra or viceroy to the emperor. Do only important people get a second chance? What about John, third son of Earl the pig farmer? Or Ellen, who died of consumption in infancy and was buried in a shallow grave on the road to Salisbury?
 
NobbyNobbs said:
I've always wondered at the idea that those who believe in reincarnation always used to be Cleopatra or viceroy to the emperor. Do only important people get a second chance? What about John, third son of Earl the pig farmer? Or Ellen, who died of consumption in infancy and was buried in a shallow grave on the road to Salisbury?
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For some reason, I keep getting reincarnated as an accountant. God, I'm bored. :(
 
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NobbyNobbs said:
I've always wondered at the idea that those who believe in reincarnation always used to be Cleopatra or viceroy to the emperor. Do only important people get a second chance? What about John, third son of Earl the pig farmer? Or Ellen, who died of consumption in infancy and was buried in a shallow grave on the road to Salisbury?
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I've wondered that myself.

Or why predictions never cover Joe Schmoe from Detroit? A 1,000 mediums postdicted Diana's death - yet none of them claim to have foreseen the death of the unknown guy who died in the same accident.
 
So, after being found out, anyone think Charles will be gutsy enough to post again?
 
NobbyNobbs said:
I've always wondered at the idea that those who believe in reincarnation always used to be Cleopatra or viceroy to the emperor. Do only important people get a second chance? What about John, third son of Earl the pig farmer? Or Ellen, who died of consumption in infancy and was buried in a shallow grave on the road to Salisbury?
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And what about the pigs? Is homo sapiens the only species that gets to be reincarnated? Maybe there is inter-species reincarnation and one of Earl's pigs used to be Earl himself and now due to karma he's back as one of Earl's pigs. I think. Hell, I'm confused.
 
edona7 said:
So, after being found out, anyone think Charles will be gutsy enough to post again?
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I don't see why not. Nothing wrong with writing a book, and it appears to be consistent with what he has been claiming here. I don't feel like he was peddling his book.

I have a bigger problem with this statement:
Firstly, I must say that I too was skeptical of anything paranormal for a number of years until I had my own personal evidences...
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As someone else pointed out, it is not clear when this "number of years" occurred.

The stuff about the past lives as a Nazi etc, is too bizarre for me, and some of the other posters are just over the top. I had no idea there was such a forum for people who are into reincarnation.
 
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edona7 said:
So, after being found out, anyone think Charles will be gutsy enough to post again?
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Oh, yeah. He sees the book as actual validation of his beliefs. He'll return like a conquering hero, arguing that he failed to mention the book because he wanted to give us a fighting chance and didn't want to flaunt his expertise.

It doesn't change the fact that the thread's over. He'll never, ever even entertain the concept that he could be mistaken in any way. Of course, in order to keep us typing back, he'll continue to claim that he might be convinced, we just haven't made ourselves clear yet. And this will go on for 32 pages.

Eventually, somebody will say something that somehow actually bruises his ego. He'll lash out because he absolutely cannot stand to feel bad about himself even for a second. And then he'll be suspended.

He'll take the suspension as a victory, as it proves that we just couldn't handle all of the truth he was dropping, and he'll stop posting for a year.

Then, something will happen to make himself lose a bit of confidence. And he'll be back here looking to call us stupid in order to make himself feel better. Eventually, he'll decompensate and get suspended again.

This will go on for several years, with successively shorter intervals. Eventually, he'll suicide by mod for good and that will be the end of his tenure here.

I call it the Yrreg Special.
 
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Loss Leader said:
Oh, yeah. He sees the book as actual validation of his beliefs. He'll return like a conquering hero, arguing that he failed to mention the book because he wanted to give us a fighting chance and didn't want to flaunt his expertise.

It doesn't change the fact that the thread's over. He'll never, ever even entertain the concept that he could be mistaken in any way. Of course, in order to keep us typing back, he'll continue to claim that he might be convinced, we just haven't made ourselves clear yet. And this will go on for 32 pages.

Eventually, somebody will say something that somehow actually bruises his ego. He'll lash out because he absolutely cannot stand to feel bad about himself even for a second. And then he'll be suspended.

He'll take the suspension as a victory, as it proves that we just couldn't handle all of the truth he was dropping, and he'll stop posting for a year.

Then, something will happen to make himself lose a bit of confidence. And he'll be back here looking to call us stupid in order to make himself feel better. Eventually, he'll decompensate and get suspended again.

This will go on for several years, with successively shorter intervals. Eventually, he'll suicide by mod for good and that will be the end of his tenure here.

I call it the Yrreg Special.
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Loss Leader .. wow .. you're a pretty good psychic!
 
Well Non Skeptic, it seems that you are seeking an explanation for what you perceived to be a spiritual event?


You aren’t going to find what you are looking for in the place of consciousness. Or attempting to re arrange consciousness to fit the experience. Doesn't work that way. I don't care if its new age consciousness or science oriented consciousness. Both are belief systems that oppose each other. Spiritual work is worked in the unconsciousness, the things that aren't and can't be seen. The spirit won't come into consciousness, it doesn't believe in it. Or rather it knows how undependable it is.

Besides everyone has an option on what consciousness is. That makes it rather undependable and is just up to whoever has the most popular belief system at the time.

Consciousness, as the stage magicians have proved is a very highly undependable place. They can make you see things that aren't there. Hell we can make ourselves see things that aren't there.

I am agreeable that you had a spiritual event. I am not agreeable that you are attempting to alter consciousness to fit the experience. Some one working with spirit would not even attempt to dabble in consciousness or to say anything to a stage magician but "Yep, our 3d perception is highly undependable if you just made me see a tiger walk out of my cupboard."


So seeking your answers in consciousness is out. You experienced something that other people can't see. We can't expect them to believe it for that reason. That doesn't make them wrong, it doesn't' make you right either. You are not wrong exactly you are attempting to validate it in the wrong paradigm. You can validate it just not in consciousness.

Good luck. You probably need someone who knows how to work out out of consciousness with you. Psychics who haven't stepped into where they dont' belong, work in the psyche , they are more interested in what the psyche is doing, what the mind is projecting than what dead aunt Edna is doing. One presumes this is why the are called psychics?

If you find a good psychic to work with they will not impose beliefs on you but actually encourage you to suspend all belief systems including science, religion, new age bs, homeopathy, modern medicine, the belief in ghosts, talking dead people, paranormal etcetcetc and other things that people clutter the consciousness up with till they don't know if they are coming or going. A good psychic will probably make you watch several stage shows to see how easily our perceptions are mis directed. They will not give you any books to read unless the book is intended to slaughter your ego (there's a few books out there that do that , few people read them for that reason Having your ego slaughtered hurts and is depressing but neccessary if you want to do spiritual type work) New age books mostly tend to just give the ego more ^&%$ to play with to keep you in consciousness.

But the ego has to be gotten out of the way before you find how to do or even understand spiritual work. Beliefs are what the ego uses to keep us slammed down into consciousness when we really need to be working out of it.

If you are not willing to suspend beliefs in everything and be very skeptical of what you see and hear for a long while, then you probably won't get far. But good luck anyway.
 
wareagle said:
Well Non Skeptic, it seems that you are seeking an explanation for what you perceived to be a spiritual event?


You aren’t going to find what you are looking for in the place of consciousness. Or attempting to re arrange consciousness to fit the experience. Doesn't work that way. I don't care if its new age consciousness or science oriented consciousness. Both are belief systems that oppose each other. Spiritual work is worked in the unconsciousness, the things that aren't and can't be seen. The spirit won't come into consciousness, it doesn't believe in it. Or rather it knows how undependable it is.

Besides everyone has an option on what consciousness is. That makes it rather undependable and is just up to whoever has the most popular belief system at the time.

Consciousness, as the stage magicians have proved is a very highly undependable place. They can make you see things that aren't there. Hell we can make ourselves see things that aren't there.

I am agreeable that you had a spiritual event. I am not agreeable that you are attempting to alter consciousness to fit the experience. Some one working with spirit would not even attempt to dabble in consciousness or to say anything to a stage magician but "Yep, our 3d perception is highly undependable if you just made me see a tiger walk out of my cupboard."


So seeking your answers in consciousness is out. You experienced something that other people can't see. We can't expect them to believe it for that reason. That doesn't make them wrong, it doesn't' make you right either. You are not wrong exactly you are attempting to validate it in the wrong paradigm. You can validate it just not in consciousness.

Good luck. You probably need someone who knows how to work out out of consciousness with you. Psychics who haven't stepped into where they dont' belong, work in the psyche , they are more interested in what the psyche is doing, what the mind is projecting than what dead aunt Edna is doing. One presumes this is why the are called psychics?

If you find a good psychic to work with they will not impose beliefs on you but actually encourage you to suspend all belief systems including science, religion, new age bs, homeopathy, modern medicine, the belief in ghosts, talking dead people, paranormal etcetcetc and other things that people clutter the consciousness up with till they don't know if they are coming or going. A good psychic will probably make you watch several stage shows to see how easily our perceptions are mis directed. They will not give you any books to read unless the book is intended to slaughter your ego (there's a few books out there that do that , few people read them for that reason Having your ego slaughtered hurts and is depressing but neccessary if you want to do spiritual type work) New age books mostly tend to just give the ego more ^&%$ to play with to keep you in consciousness.

But the ego has to be gotten out of the way before you find how to do or even understand spiritual work. Beliefs are what the ego uses to keep us slammed down into consciousness when we really need to be working out of it.

If you are not willing to suspend beliefs in everything and be very skeptical of what you see and hear for a long while, then you probably won't get far. But good luck anyway.
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Please define the following, in your own words:

Consciousness
Paradigm
Ego
Spiritual
Belief

It's necessary for you to define your understanding of these words in order to form a commonality of experience so that we can communicate in a synergistic framework.
 
Apology said:
Please define the following, in your own words:

Consciousness
Paradigm
Ego
Spiritual
Belief

It's necessary for you to define your understanding of these words in order to form a commonality of experience so that we can communicate in a synergistic framework.
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Also:
psyche
good psychics
place of consciousness
the belief system that is science
 
Oh. Do you feel you have a commonality of experience with Non Skeptic?

Well lets see. Briefly..

Consciouness. A state of mental and emotional awareness.

Ego: A multifaceted portion of the personality that lends among other things a sense of individuality that is developed through various and sometimes changing belief systems.It also serves to keep us from direct access to the subconscious and unconscious.

Belief: Those premises assumed by a personality to understand the world around them. They may be assumed or given by what is perceived to be a higher authority. Most beliefs lend a state a shared consciousness with others: We all percieve the world in roughly the same way if we believe the world to be the way we all percieve it. However beliefs may alter or distort perception as well about commonly perceived world and about one's self in general.

Psyche; The mind as a whole lending to us a sense of animation whether someone believes it to be a spirit, soul or chemical reaction.
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Science as a belief system is self explanatory-- it is a belief system.

Place of consciousness is what place of consciousness one is working from. Thinking or knowing.

A good psychic does not impose belief systems on others while the person in question is attempting to understand their psyche or attempt to work outside of their usual mental and emotional awareness state. They simply ask that all belief systems be suspended for a while so the participant can describe what they are experiencing without external influences.
 
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