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Honeybee Colony Collapse Disorder: Solved?

Well, that would be nice if it is solved.
 
Well, colour me surprised; I was told in no uncertain terms by the organic foodies that it was all due to pesticides, GM crops and feeding HFCS to bees.

You mean people might make **** up to promote their own pseudoreligious nonsense? Nooo, that would never happen. :rolleyes:
 
Well, colour me surprised; I was told in no uncertain terms by the organic foodies that it was all due to pesticides, GM crops and feeding HFCS to bees.

You mean people might make **** up to promote their own pseudoreligious nonsense? Nooo, that would never happen. :rolleyes:

Actually, it happens all the time... just never about the stuff I already know to be true :D
 
Well, colour me surprised; I was told in no uncertain terms by the organic foodies that it was all due to pesticides, GM crops and feeding HFCS to bees.

You mean people might make **** up to promote their own pseudoreligious nonsense? Nooo, that would never happen. :rolleyes:

It's always some kind of synthetic bogeyman for that ilk. Time and again, this assumption has been proven wrong but they keep repeating it because it gets them money. :mad:

Anyway, hats off to those researchers. This has been a longstanding worry for the people who bring us food. Allergic to them but I love them little bees. I owe them more than they owe me! :)
 
Well, colour me surprised; I was told in no uncertain terms by the organic foodies that it was all due to pesticides, GM crops and feeding HFCS to bees.

You mean people might make **** up to promote their own pseudoreligious nonsense? Nooo, that would never happen. :rolleyes:

Bah, they told you _that_? They were telling me it's the global warming. Man, and just after I go and buy a patio heater to do my part for the global warming, now they tell me it's not it... ;)
 
I saw a post about this on ERV, but didn't bother reading past the first couple of lines. I'll go back and see if it has anything more than the above links.
 
Well, colour me surprised; I was told in no uncertain terms by the organic foodies that it was all due to pesticides, GM crops and feeding HFCS to bees.
You left out cell-phone towers and high-voltage power lines.
You mean people might make **** up to promote their own pseudoreligious nonsense? Nooo, that would never happen. :rolleyes:
Never!
 
Well, colour me surprised; I was told in no uncertain terms by the organic foodies that it was all due to pesticides, GM crops and feeding HFCS to bees.

You mean people might make **** up to promote their own pseudoreligious nonsense? Nooo, that would never happen. :rolleyes:

I remember when people were saying we evil humans and our dirty human activities were screwing up Old Faithful in Yellowstone Park, and that's why it was no longer erupting on schedule.

Then someone remembered that Mt St. Helen's blew up around the time the geysers started getting all flaky, changing the dynamics of the magma underneath North America.
 
Whew, I hope they can develop a solution from this information. A lot of farmers have been really upset over all of this, they really rely on those bees.

The main theory I had heard before now was that the bees might be getting confused by being moved around all the time. There were suggestions that farmers might have to pay bee keepers to have hives on their land year round rather then just have them brought in for the season.
 
I remember when people were saying we evil humans and our dirty human activities were screwing up Old Faithful in Yellowstone Park, and that's why it was no longer erupting on schedule.

Then someone remembered that Mt St. Helen's blew up around the time the geysers started getting all flaky, changing the dynamics of the magma underneath North America.

Just to clarify here, there is almost certainly no way that MSH affected Yellowstone. Haven't heard that one before, but can't imagine that there's any way that's plausible. Magma below MSH was at a few km depth, but Yellowstone is hundreds of km away. No way those systems communicate like that.

Glad to hear things are looking up for the bees, though. Last year was a rough year for apples, and we feared this trend would continue without any understanding as to why.
 
More recently:

The following article borders on the CT edge: that Bayer is trying to cover CCD up, has payed off Bromenshenk (probably so that he could help them improve their product -- oops, I meant so that they could cover it up more, of course ;)), and that "here's more proof that pesticides are evil" mantra. Of course, it doesn't provide any counterarguments to why Bayer would shoot itself in the foot by producing pesticides that would ultimately put their clients' product in danger (farmers who rely on pollinators). That makes so much sense. Bayer is obviously in the business of wanting less business.

"Sorry, New York Times: The bee die-off case is not closed"

... which used primary information from this article (with no real citations ... strange considering that it is associated to Yale)

"Behind Mass Die-Offs, Pesticides Lurk as Culprit"

wherein a comment read:

It is worth scrutinizing the author's apparently determined focus on obtaining evidence to confirm her personal beliefs, I quote.. "Proving, with statistical certainty, that low-level pesticide exposure makes living things more vulnerable to disease is notoriously difficult." But let's hope we get there in the end heh Sonia?

A brief discussion was started in this JREF thread (post #5), with a link to a review that puts pests and pathogens as "the single most important cause of otherwise inexplicable colony losses".
 
An unlikely team of biological warfare experts and university entomologists has determined a possible cause of the mysterious "colony collapse disorder": A "tag team" of a virus and a fungus that, when combined, devastate bee colonies...

Well, colour me surprised; I was told in no uncertain terms by the organic foodies that it was all due to pesticides, GM crops and feeding HFCS to bees.

You mean people might make **** up to promote their own pseudoreligious nonsense? Nooo, that would never happen. :rolleyes:

It's always some kind of synthetic bogeyman for that ilk. Time and again, this assumption has been proven wrong but they keep repeating it because it gets them money. :mad:

Anyway, hats off to those researchers...

More recently:

The following article borders on the CT edge: that Bayer is trying to cover CCD up, has payed off Bromenshenk (probably so that he could help them improve their product -- oops, I meant so that they could cover it up more, of course ;)), and that "here's more proof that pesticides are evil" mantra. Of course, it doesn't provide any counterarguments to why Bayer would shoot itself in the foot by producing pesticides that would ultimately put their clients' product in danger (farmers who rely on pollinators). That makes so much sense. Bayer is obviously in the business of wanting less business...


Skepticism is a valuable tool in helping us discern what is true. Used well, skepticism helps us accept true claims and reject false ones. Used poorly, skepticism sets too high or unreasonable a bar and rejects true claims and/or sets too low a bar and accepts false ones.

In light of additional research on bee colony collapse which has been done since this thread was active, I thought it might be worth looking at some of these old posts again.

The posts by soylent, slimething and majamin are good examples of poor skepticism. These posts display excessive hostility to the idea that pesticides might be a cause of colony collapse (and to any evidence supporting that idea) and excessive credulity to anything contradicting the idea that pesticides might be a cause (and any evidence supporting that idea).

It now appears highly likely that a pesticide is one of the causes of colony collapse. In particular it is a Bayer pesticide -- one which was previously suspected of being a possible cause, and one which research such as Bromenshenk's helped deflect suspicion away from.

The aim of skepticism should be to come up with a uniform standard for examining evidence -- one which is neither excessively hostile to people and ideas we tend to disagree with nor excessively credulous to people and ideas we tend to agree with, but rather which gives the same critical scrutiny to both.

Since there is a new thread on this topic, "Pesticides linked to honeybee decline", that's a better place than this to continue the discussion on pesticides and their effect on bees. But in carrying on that discussion, it might be good to look over some of the old threads on colony collapse, such as this one, and try to learn from past mistakes.
 
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"Scientists in the project emphasize that their conclusions are not the final word."
 
Skepticism is a valuable tool in helping us discern what is true. Used well, skepticism helps us accept true claims and reject false ones. Used poorly, skepticism sets too high or unreasonable a bar and rejects true claims and/or sets too low a bar and accepts false ones...
Good post Nova.
 
I wouldn't expect a magic bullet to cure this. The causes are likely a conglomerate.

Perhaps less so with the fungal disease that's taking out bats, yet, its hard to evaluate the effect of stress in the susceptibility to various infections.
 

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