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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Withnail1969 said:
Do you want me to dig out the actual temperature for that particular morning? Your premise is ridiculous, regardless. Nobody wanders about Italian towns with their face concealed like a Ninja, not unless they want to look like an idiot or a highly suspicious person.

Just let this one go, it's too idiotic to hold on to. You also dodged my question about whether Quintavalle's assistant remembers this mysterious masked 5' tall person.
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Knock yourself out :)
 
RoseMontague said:
BTW, I posted a video of this interview and it was hardly "secret" and he had a bit more to say than he indicated as well. I guess his memory must have failed him on this one.
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I didn't request you evidence the interview took place, only that you evidence that Quintavalle struggled to remember it, or hid it in some way (which I saw as being the implicit assertion in your post).
 
Fulcanelli said:
Knock yourself out :)
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if you want to hold on to the premise that it's normal for Italians to conceal their faces with scarves and hats in early November, then that's up to you. Have you even been to Italy?

I really can't be bothered to continue to argue the toss with someone who is so wilfully blind to common sense, reason and fact.
 
RoseMontague said:
I think Candace Dempsey is a great source, as do many others.
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I know. I also have an old lady neighbour that will buy anything any door-to-door charlatan is selling. I look out for her when I can. Unfortunately, I can't save anyone from drinking the Cook's kool Aid.
 
RoseMontague said:
I think Candace Dempsey is a great source, as do many others.
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Hi Rose

Without lengthy contrary comment on Ms Dempsey, (who started her writing career as a Food Blogger from Seattle), may I just point out that among others I hold Barbie Nadeau and Andrea Vogt in the same high esteem that "you and others" hold Ms Dempsey.
Admittedly, the resultant 2 books as well as Ms Vogt on Daily Beast differ on many things under discussion here

Additionally, neither required employment of a freelance interpreter assistant as did Ms Dempsey to assist their writings and/ortrial attendance.
REF: Your dime, read about Freelancer Giulia Alagna's employment and activities.
Based on your excellent recall of factual matter, I assume you may already be familiar with Ms Alagna's relation to Ms Dempsey as well as CBS.
 
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Withnail1969 said:
if you want to hold on to the premise that it's normal for Italians to conceal their faces with scarves and hats in early November, then that's up to you. Have you even been to Italy?

I really can't be bothered to continue to argue the toss with someone who is so wilfully blind to common sense, reason and fact.
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Amanda wasn't Italian. Quintavalle recognised her as not being Italian. That's part of the reason why she stick out in his memory.

You're not getting the temps of the early morning of Nov 2, 2007 after all then? ;)
 
pilot padron said:
Hi Rose

Without lengthy contrary comment on Ms Dempsey, (who started her writing career as a Food Blogger from Seattle), may I just point out that among others I hold Barbie Nadeau and Andrea Vogt in the same high esteem that "you and others" hold Ms Dempsey.
Admittedly, the resultant 2 books as well as Ms Vogt on Daily Beast differ on many things under discussion here

Additionally, neither required employment of a freelance interpreter assistant as did Ms Dempsey to assist their writings and/ortrial attendance.
REF: Your dime, read about Freelancer Giulia Alagna's employment and activities.
Based on your excellent recall of factual matter, I assume you are already familiar with Ms Alagna's relation to Ms Dempsey as well as CBS
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Unlike the Cook, they actually attended the trial. They also actually speak Italian.
 
Fulcanelli said:
Amanda wasn't Italian. Quintavalle recognised her as not being Italian. That's part of the reason why she stick out in his memory.

You're not getting the temps of the early morning of Nov 2, 2007 after all then? ;)
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What an idiotic piece of sophistry. I don't need to get the exact temperature of Nov 2nd 2007 to tell you that your premise that people walk around Italian towns with their faces fully concealed by scarves and hats in early November is ludicrous, which of course you already know.

Amanda wasn't Italian. That's certainly true. Can you tell me what relevance that has to the question of whether she would be inconspicuous or more conspicuous by concealing her face on a very early morning visit to a shop?
 
Fulcanelli said:
Unlike the Cook, they actually attended the trial. They also actually speak Italian.
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Precisely; which is why I noted Ms Alagna'a's self advertised skills as interpreter, as well as her availability and ability to assist in Ms Dempsey's "spotty" personal presence" at actual trial.

Ms Nadeau needed no such assistance neither with her Italian language fluency nor her own perfect attendance at *every* trial session.
Citation: (Sigh); Angel Face, Foreword, page x

Above are just a very few of the reasons why I hold Ms Vogt and Nadeau in higher esteem than apparently Rose and her mentioned "many others" do.
 
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Without any resistance from MK

LiamG. said:
Wow, very detailed and very plausible.
I find it quite amusing, to read all the things RG was able to do, without any resistance of MK and no escaping of her; it sounds, that she must have been intoxicated during all these things: Forcing her to the ground, cutting the bra off with two hands, keeping her mouth shut, sexually assaulting her from behind, torturing and stabbing her etc.; and now he also grabbed a pillow during "his" sexual-attack.

Concerning the towel. Do you think he first stabbed the victim, then went away, grabbed a towel, returned back to the bleeding victim, placed the towel on his trousers and then started the sexual attack? Aside from the fact, that this theory is in itself implausible, it doesn`t explain, why the towel was so thoroughly blood-soaked. The towel can`t get soaked in blood to such a degree, if it`s kept away to some distance from the blood source and much less if the person, as it`s the case in your "theory", is eager not to get blood on his clothes.
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http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/ga..._id=1332&sid=e73f385c5c610451791d829ceaaaf31c


Liam,

My answer to most of this is that after the fatal wound MK quickly lost blood and was incapacitated by the time of the sexual assault.

In the photo above you can see blood over by the green book on the floor. This is probably where the fatal wound occurred. Steve Moore says that she was stabbed from behind. She was on hands and knee with Rudy grabbing her jaw with his left hand from behind. He would have then stabbed her and slashed her throat with his right hand.

The larger amount of blood is closer to the wardrobe as MK moved in that direction. There are finger marks on the inside of the wardrobe and MK may have attempted to stand up using the wardrobe as leverage. The largest amount of blood is between the wardrobe and bedside table where MK's head was found.

She was flipped on her back finally and would have likely been almost unconsious by that point. The cutting of her bra and removal of her clothes and sexual assault probably happened to her in this state.

Rudy said he got towels and there were towels there. He probably also grabbed the pillow, comforter and bedsheet at the same time. The pillow was found under her hips and had his shoe print and palm print on it. As Rose said this was probably to make the sexual assault easier. The white bedsheet and the towels were very bloody. I don't know why he brought the towels. He may have been freaked out by seeing the blood and panicked. He may have had regrets. He may have been trying to keep the blood from flowing toward him while he assalted her. Idk.

The comforter was also very bloody. It may have already been partially covering her even during the rape and at least shortly after the attack while her neck was still heavily bleeding.

Photos of the blood marks on the comforter
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/duvet.html
 
not really scarf and hat weather -

Fulcanelli said:
Knock yourself out :)
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<a href="http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=I90579699&month=11&day=2&year=2007">weatherunderground.org</a>

Perugia, San Sisto, Perugia, Umbria - Nov 2, 2007

Temperature:
High: 59.2 °F
Low:52.2 °F
Average: 55.5 °F


Precipitation: 0.00in
 
el buscador said:
Agreed. But have some heart, at least they've quit (mostly) in insisting the Postal Police arrived before Raffaele made the calls to the Carabinieri and that there was a shoe print made in blood by Amanda on the pillowcase found under Meredith's body. Unfortunately, that did take over 2 1/2 years.
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The postal police arrived BEFORE Raffaelo placed the call to the regular police.

Who saysotherwise?
 
Withnail1969 said:
if you want to hold on to the premise that it's normal for Italians to conceal their faces with scarves and hats in early November, then that's up to you. Have you even been to Italy?

I really can't be bothered to continue to argue the toss with someone who is so wilfully blind to common sense, reason and fact.
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What exactly makes he a "great source"?
What was she doing until this trial?
 
Withnail1969 said:
if you want to hold on to the premise that it's normal for Italians to conceal their faces with scarves and hats in early November, then that's up to you. Have you even been to Italy?

I really can't be bothered to continue to argue the toss with someone who is so wilfully blind to common sense, reason and fact.
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No one says it is normal for Italians to hide their faces with scarves in November or any other month.
But the fact is, Amanda did.
 
Withnail1969 said:
Lol. So nobody bothered to ensure that this bizarre masked Ninja hadn't stolen anything after she left the shop empty-handed? Can you imagine going to your local corner shop dressed like that early in the morning without attracting enormous attention?

Did Quintavalle's assistant report a similar mysterious masked Ninja?
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Well as for attracting enormous attention we can assume there were not that many people out and about at 7:45 AM on a holiday weekend.
 
Fulcanelli said:
Amanda wasn't Italian. Quintavalle recognised her as not being Italian. That's part of the reason why she stick out in his memory.

You're not getting the temps of the early morning of Nov 2, 2007 after all then? ;)
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Do you mean that Quintavalle recognised Knox by sight as not being Italian? Because I know quite a few Italian girls with blonde hair and blue eyes.

Or did he recognise her as non-Italian by how she spoke?

In both respects, it's worthy of note that Quintavalle's shop was within yards of the University for Foreigners - which has over 8,000 non-Italian students. It's fair to suggest that many of these 8,000+ non-Italians visited Quintavalle's shop at some point. Did Knox really stand out all that much?
 
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