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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Fulcanelli said:
I have always made it very clear that I believe Rudy Guede, Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito together attacked and murdered Meredith.

That hasn't changed.
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How many people does it take to change a light bulb?

1) One. One to climb the step ladder and turn the bulb.
2) Three. One to hold the light bulb and two to turn the step ladder.

Occam's razor says the answer is #1.
 
RoseMontague said:
What needs to be "tested" is Massei's reasoning. That will be "tested" in the appeal. Until then I think his reasoning on Quintavalle is in error, and obviously in error. I don't agree with any argument that basically says because "Massei said so", which seems to be very common coming from you. The point of our discussion recently has been the debate on this reasoning so it is a long way from being tested and proven at JREF.
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I don't say "because Massei said so" (and it isn't just Massei anyway, but also Christiani). I say it was tested in court...and it was.
 
RoseMontague said:
You can pretend to be different than who you are but that does not change reality. You should apologize.
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Rose you really should stop with this nonsesense.
You are trivializing-and at the same time distracting from- the grave case on which we are focussed.
 
Justinian2 said:
How many people does it take to change a light bulb?

1) One. One to climb the step ladder and turn the bulb.
2) Three. One to hold the light bulb and two to turn the step ladder.

Occam's razor says the answer is #1.
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We're not talking about light bulbs. We're talking about a murder victim.
 
RoseMontague said:
You like using this "we" thing. Is that a "royal we". I have seen convincing evidence that Quintavalle's testimony has been completely discredited. Maybe you should consider using something other than "we" here when you make sweeping statements like that.
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What convincing evidence Rose?
 
loverofzion said:
No I don't.
Why did he have to get in without Amanda being present?
She obviously had a key.
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It's the same point. If Raffaele was involved, he would leave the door unlocked when he left. But Meredith's keys were missing. They would not be missing if the intruder did not need to use them to get out of the door.

It could have been that the key was left in the door, but this does not seem to be the habit, and also, why then take the keys? It had to be a stranger, or Guede, based on Guede's version (fanciful claims of clean up and break in aside). If it was a stranger, he would have needed to come back for the key. Guede does not account for this.
 
RoseMontague said:
The other employees don't remember seeing Amanda and the til receipts were checked.
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He'd only just opened the door, the til probably wasn't set up. The assistant was trying to remember events that had happened over a year before (that's when she made her statement to say she couldn't remember) on a normal day. I'm not surprised she doesn't remember.

In contrast, Quintavalle had reason to remember.
 
RoseMontague said:
Apparently one can write whatever one likes in a Motivation Report. The appeal is disputing the reasoning of that report and is the primary focus of the appeals.
The appeal court can decide if the Massei judgment holds water after reviewing both that report as well as the appeals. To say the appeal is meaningless or not worth squat is not correct, in my opinion.
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It is meaningless as the basis of evidence until it has been tried in court.
 
Fulcanelli said:
He wasn't serving on the till.
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But somebody was.

So:-

1) She bought something (till receipts and a witness working on the till would prove it).

2) She stole something. Surely Amanda would know that it's better to buy something if you want to steal another item. If Quintavalle wasn't at the counter, it's inevitable he would have been watching this suspicious looking foreigner. How incredibly risky, and what on earth would she need to steal? They already had 2 bottles of bleach.

3) She came in, looked at cleaning supplies for a while, but couldn't find her preferred brand of Murder2Go cleaner and just left.


Each possibility more brain-dead than the last.
 
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