Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[RoseMontague]

At that time, the police fully expected to find evidence of Knox, Sollecito, and Lumumba inside of Meredth's room. There was plenty of evidence in that room, but none of it, not one bit of it, was pointing in their direction. No evidence at all. In fact, it was all pointing towards a completely different person! Moreover, Lumumba was providing a first class alibi and would soon have to be released.

As for the quotes from Sollecito and Knox, were they made to the police or before the court? Because otherwise you seem to be stripping them of their right to speak and write privately as they please.

It seems to me that the problem for both of them is that they trusted the authorities too much. They trusted that if they were told a knife existed that had DNA evidence of both Meredith and Knox on it, they believed it. Being innocent, the question for them to explain was how could that be? Sollecito offered he thought maybe Meredith had cooked with it at his house.

Excellent post moodstream. If you get a chance read that study on false confessions I provided earlier today. It is 70 pages but very interesting. Page 48 lists some of the deceptive practices used in police interrogations and the scenario you mention is described there. Amanda and Raffaele are not alone in falling for such a ploy.

 

[moodstream]

How do you know Sollecito had a key?

Because he also had to get in. Oh - so now you do believe in the break in!

 

[moodstream]

I KNOW, again -- right? I mean, if you read her testimony, you can see how suspicious the lawyers and judges were of that statement:

Thank you. I knew there was more to Amanda's quote then just those few words.

 

[RoseMontague]

Then it's not a source. Until and unless the defence claims are argued and tested in court they mean squat. People can say whatever they like in an appeal document, it doesn't have to be correct or true. It's meaningless.

I disagree, it is not meaningless. I find it full of meaning, as do many others.

 

[Katody Matrass]

He actually added that chapter on Mignini AFTER Amanda's arrest and he had joined the FOA.

Just as important is what he doesn't say. He doesn't explain that he was actually arrested because the police believed, with good reason, that he and Spezi had actually been planting evidence at the murder scenes in order to bolster their weak theories for their planned book.

And no, as far as I'm aware no book has been written to counter his claims. I don't think many people care what Preston writes. However, there is quite an interesting article by Barbie Nadeau:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...urders-that-could-save-her/?cid=hp:mainpromo5

What about that Spezi's doorstop, that to Mignini was a satanic artefact of dark magic? I vaguely remember there were also nutjob theories of swapped bodies and vast satanic conspiracy which lead Mignini to accuse like 20 people, that were later freed. Lunacy, isn't it ?

And yes, we don't care what Nadeau says

 

[Fulcanelli]

He already had blood on his clothes, it is when he took his pants off that he did not want to get blood on himself. I don't think Meredith was in any position to scream at that point after 3 large woulds to the neck. This is a theory, the fact that both you and Fulcanelli believe that Rudy was "aiding" Meredith is another. I don't find that theory even remotely possible. I will try to avoid saying Wow or quite amusing, however, Oops.

Why? Meredith had no blood on her legs because there was hardly any blood in the area of the lower part of her body. Why would he have gotten blood on himself?

He took his pants off? Yet there's no bare footprints from him in the room or leading from it. And when he left, he had blood all over his pants...so much for not wanting to get blood on his pants.

Your theory does not explain how the towels came to be drenched in blood. They had come into contact with blood, a LOT of it. Were it the odd smear on the towels, it may have some level of plausibility.

Also, you don't think the idea that someone who has just stabbed someone in the neck and she's bleeding everywhere and dying, strips off to have sex with them to be pretty damned far fetched?

 

[Fulcanelli]

He did break her neck, which would no doubt have hampered her ability to resist subsequently.

Meredith didn't have a broken neck.

 

[Fulcanelli]

I heard they also tested his apartment with Luminol. Were any Luminol prints revealed at Raffaele's place?

No footprints, but there was luminol hits on his bathroom floor and on some rags.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

please don't reverse the burden of proof

Then it's not a source. Until and unless the defence claims are argued and tested in court they mean squat. People can say whatever they like in an appeal document, it doesn't have to be correct or true. It's meaningless.

What is your source for Raffaele's DNA being "abundant?"

 

[Fulcanelli]

Do you think the Kercher family would be happy to see you using smiley symbols while describing the murder of their daughter?

It wasn't a smile, it was a wink...often used to impart irony.

 

[Katody Matrass]

I know you imagine disputed equates to discredited but they are two completely different things. The evidence certainly wasn't discredited, hence the guilty verdict.

Well, you're wrong. The evidence was discredited and the verdict was discredited. That you can only defend the evidence by circular reasoning of constant and repetitious appeal to the "authority" of the discredited verdict is telling.

 

[moodstream]

Because her alibi was that they slept in at RS's until about 10 the next morning.

Surely it is unnecessary by now to remind all that the computer and phone records disproved this.

I am not yet convinced that the courts of Perugia have a special interests in the waking habits of Amanda Knox. I understood the question to be did she return to the cottage to clean up in the morning, when, as the court put it, the lighting would be better? The reason her visit to the store is important is because cleaning agents are not missing from Sollecito's place or the cottage. So where did they come from? The court points out she visited a store where cleaning products are sold, according the the store's owner.

 

[Withnail1969]

It wasn't a smile, it was a wink...often used to impart irony.

Thank you for finally answering. The symbol, while winking, was also wearing a big smile. It seemed grotesquely inappropriate to me, but what do I know.

 

[Fulcanelli]

I thought it was interesting (in contrast to amusing) that the Massei report actual gives credence to several of these crimes attributed to Rudy. I am interested to see what the others may be and if they have a basis in fact as well.

It doesn't really. It goes to no efforts to examine whether they are true or not because it doesn't consider them relevant. It raises the hypothesis that they may well have taken place simply to then dismiss them as having any bearing or relevance to events on the night of the murder.

 

[Jungle Jim]

Regarding the diaries of Rudy, Amanda and Raffaele...Do prison cells in Italy come furnished with paper and pen, or does one have to request same?

 

[Fulcanelli]

The defense does dispute that there was any DNA on the knife blade. These quotes are from Amanda's appeal:



I also provide several quotes from Frank in regards to his report on court testimony which makes this very clear as well.

They didn't in the trial. As for what they say in the appeal, I refer you to my recent previous post in regard to the appeal documents.

 

[Alt+F4]

I see, so now he was holding a knife, a towel, both Meredith's arms and sexually assaulting her all at the same time. The man's an octopus!

Well he might have gotten the towels after he stabbed her. The point is that if he went to the bathroom to get the towels he would have left bloody shoe prints leading to the bathroom. There were none.

He also would have left bloody shoe prints when he went in went into the bathroom to wash up. There were none.

 

[moodstream]

Again and again you repeat your false claim after you had been shown multiple times its absurdity, and after you even acnowledged facts and logic are at odds with you theory.

To who are you replying? If to Mary H, what are talking about. And if to me, what are talking about?

Btw, I am new to this board. If I could ask, does this board allow the naming of claims. I wonder cause you refer to 'your' false claim. Is it like putting a flag on the north pole or something? That could be kind of cool.

 

[RoseMontague]

Also, you don't think the idea that someone who has just stabbed someone in the neck and she's bleeding everywhere and dying, strips off to have sex with them to be pretty damned far fetched?

Not as far fetched as the prosecution theory of the crime. The case of Sarah Scazzi recently in the news over there is a gruesome example of sex after the murder so it does happen, unfortunately.

 

[Katody Matrass]

Well he might have gotten the towels after he stabbed her. The point is that if he went to the bathroom to get the towels he would have left bloody shoe prints leading to the bathroom. There were none.

He also would have left bloody shoe prints when he went in went into the bathroom to wash up. There were none.

How do you know he stepped in blood before going for the towels?