Insane Clown Posse's song about 'Miracles' called worst song ever

[Questioninggeller]

Article about/interview with Insane Clown Posse in the Guardian today (by Jon Ronson):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/oct/09/insane-clown-posse-christians-god

Interesting article.

Not only do they say they don't understand magnets, they think no one does. Rather than prove they are stupid, they thought people would think the song shows they are "deep" thinkers:

Insane Clown Posse: And God created controversyAmerica's nastiest rappers in shocking revelation – they've been evangelical Christians all along
By Jon Ronson
The Guardian
Saturday 9 October 2010

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"Did you anticipate this kind of reaction?" I ask them.

"No," sighs Violent J. "I figured most people would say, 'Wow, I didn't know Insane Clown Posse could be deep like that.' But instead it's, 'ICP said a giraffe is a miracle. Ha ha ha! What a bunch of idiots.'" He pauses, then adds defiantly, "A giraffe is a *********** miracle. It has a dinosaur-like neck. It's yellow. Yeah, technically an elephant is not a miracle. Technically. They've been here for hundreds of years…"

"Thousands," murmurs Shaggy.
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"I don't know how magnets work," I say, to put him at his ease.

"Nobody does, man!" he replies, relieved. "Magnetic force, man. What else is similar to that on this Earth? Nothing! Magnetic force is fascinating to us. It's right there, in your *********** face. You can feel them pulling. You can't see it. You can't smell it. You can't touch it. But there's a *********** force there. That's cool!"
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"Well," Violent J says, "science is… we don't really… that's like…" He pauses. Then he waves his hands as if to say, "OK, an analogy": "If you're trying to **** a girl, but her mom's home, **** her mom! You understand? You want to **** the girl, but her mom's home? **** the mom. See?"
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"Like Stonehenge and Easter Island," says Shaggy. "Nobody knows how that **** got there."

"But since then, scientists go, 'I've got an explanation for that.' It's like, **** you! I like to believe it was something out of this world."
...

Full: The Guardian

 

[Questioninggeller]

"And the worst song ever written is...‎"

And this:

And the worst song ever written is...‎
'Miracles,' by perhaps the worst band ever recorded
By Chris Conrad
Mail Tribune
Sep 24, 2010


A few years back Blender magazine published a hotly debated list of what it considered the worst rock 'n' roll songs ever recorded.
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I'm willing to bet when this list is revised in the coming years, "Miracles," a newish cut from Detroit's own Insane Clown Posse, will dethrone Starship.

Before I perform the autopsy on "Miracles," some background on Insane Clown Posse (ICP, as its dedicated fan base calls the band) is needed.
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Its lyrics are fused with simplistic rap cadences and production values any sixth-grader could engineer on a Casio 37-key keyboard. They also trade in misogyny and seem obsessed with "crackheads" and their "homies."
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Full: Mail Tribune

 

[Rwalsh]

deep thinkers when stoned-eh? lol

 

[Zanders]

You DO realize people said the same things about rock n roll, then later for hard rock too ? They probably said the same things about earlier music epoch.

"Those young kid, they are hearing at heretical music, the society is going down the drain because of them and their fan"

Everybody get off the lawn from Zanders.

Well, some of what they said was actually right. I don't condemn any genre based on how it sounds, that is subjective. But I do judge it by the content and quality of the lyrics or music. I think that a lot of popular music is useless fluff and garbage. But any genre can be used in a way that gives it some sort of value. ICP don't really have anything. I am in no way a conservative, but I am a bit of an art snob. Not in the most traditional sense, though.

 

[Normal Dude]

Interesting article.

Not only do they say they don't understand magnets, they think no one does. Rather than prove they are stupid, they thought people would think the song shows they are "deep" thinkers:

I almost fell out of my chair when I read that.

 

[Zanders]

"Well," Violent J says, "science is… we don't really… that's like…" He pauses. Then he waves his hands as if to say, "OK, an analogy": "If you're trying to **** a girl, but her mom's home, **** her mom! You understand? You want to **** the girl, but her mom's home? **** the mom. See?"

What does that even mean?

Also

"But since then, scientists go, 'I've got an explanation for that.' It's like, **** you! I like to believe it was something out of this world."

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

 

[zooterkin]

Having enjoyed Jon Ronson's presentation on Saturday, previously having been almost completely unaware of these duo, I just took a look at the wikipedia page for ICP, and there's no mention of the Guardian article, let alone its contents. Looking at the discussion page, there appears to be an edit war going on about whether to take the interview as being reliable.

 

[Questioninggeller]

Having enjoyed Jon Ronson's presentation on Saturday, previously having been almost completely unaware of these duo, I just took a look at the wikipedia page for ICP, and there's no mention of the Guardian article, let alone its contents. Looking at the discussion page, there appears to be an edit war going on about whether to take the interview as being reliable.

Browsing over at the discussion, it appears that debate is on semantics regarding usage of particular terms: "evangelical Christians," "Christian evangelism," "religious," and "secretly Christian." Only one editor named "Juggalobrink" wants to cast doubt on whether The Guardian is a good source. Reading his/her excuses don't make sense and leads me to conclude that person wants to reject that article because he/she likes ICP and the interview doesn't mesh with what he/she wants ICP to appear as.

According to quotes from other interviews posted there, it appears Jon Ronson didn't break new ground, but that the duo has been known to be religious, in particular Christians, for a while.

 

[Questioninggeller]

Here's a new article on this:

Insane Clowns for Jesus
A librarian probes the theology of Juggaloism
October 20, 2010
The Phoenix
By EUGENIA WILLIAMSON

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When she got home from work that day, Benevento tried to find out exactly what that something else was. "It started off as not a musical interest," she said. "Are they really Christian? That's when I started listening." Applying the research skills she learned while acquiring her MLS, Benevento embarked on a strange journey into the hearts and minds of the Insane Clown Posse and their fans.
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She compares Juggalo Christianity to a Joel Osteen–style megachurch: "It's more about Christianity in your life, not about what the Bible says. You can go to a Juggalo show in Worcester, [and] meet all the people in your area. The Gathering [of the Juggalos, a four-day Woodstock for rappers held in Illinois] is like an annual revival."
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Full: The Phoenix

 

[Questioninggeller]

Wired magazine

A little more:

How Two Outcast Rappers Built an Insane Clown Empire
By Brian Raftery
Wired
December 2010


...
“I know for a fact that we’re nowhere near where we’re going,” Bruce says. We’re sitting on the front porch of his house, listening to the midday cicadas. “You believe in The Secret?” he asks referring to the best-selling New Age self-help book. “We’re firm believers in that ****, man. Something big’s gonna happen. We’re so sure of it that if my nuts were in a guillotine right now, I’d bet we haven’t seen our best days.”

A few minutes later, Utsler points up to one of the giant trees over Bruce’s front patio. Way up high, easily 15 feet, a toddler’s plastic car is wedged in the branches. It looks like it was displaced by a hurricane.

“How the **** did that get up there?” Utsler asks.

Bruce shrugs. Just another miracle.

Full: Wired

 

[imjohn]

Sometimes we skeptics take things way too seriously.