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'What about building 7'?

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sabretooth47 said:
You're trying to change the context. I'm not talking about NIST at this point.

I said the bulge is an identifier that disproves CD. Buildings do not show signs of internal failure prior to ignition.
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Since it was never shown that the bulge was a global identifier than you have no point to make.

If you exclude the NIST, than you had better proffer a new theory and admit you disagree with theirs.

MM
 
GlennB said:
If you're talking about the top, don't post diagrams of the bottom.

Meanwhile how would CD avoid these 'missing' phenomena of which you speak?
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Miragememories said:
Your statement makes absolutely no sense.

MM
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D'uh. The diagram that started this ...

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http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4...79failure1.jpg

when questioned about this you posted a photo of the E Penthouse
 
It is not preposterous to claim that a visible bulge developing in a building with uncontrolled fires is a symptom of a fatal condition.

It is just logical, that's all. Clearly FDNY had no problem diagnosing the probability of collapse given the symptoms. The fact that they were correct is no doubt infuriating to 9/11 Truthers, but that is not relevant to the cause of collapse.
 
Miragememories said:
Wrong.

There was no proof presented that showed that the bulge was a global symptom.

MM
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C'mon, MM. Don't be naive about it. Even if it wasn't global, a bulge of any kind is very bad news. If my fire crews noticed such an event while fighting a fire, I would pull everyone of my guys out of the area.

Bulging is bad. VERY bad. It means that at least some part of the internal structure has failed and the building has become useless. A collapse of some kind is usually inevitable.
 
sabretooth47 said:
C'mon, MM. Don't be naive about it. Even if it wasn't global, a bulge of any kind is very bad news. If my fire crews noticed such an event while fighting a fire, I would pull everyone of my guys out of the area.

Bulging is bad. VERY bad. It means that at least some part of the internal structure has failed and the building has become useless. A collapse of some kind is usually inevitable.
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Of course it is. Even without hindsight FDNY saw this coming, based on the deteriorating condition of the building.

MM is disingenuously trying to imply that the bulge had to be 'global' to cause a global collapse, but this is neither logical nor scientific. There is no requirement for all elements to simultaneously fail in order to initiate a global collapse - unless MM can find a scientific proof of that theory (he can't and won't).

Prediction: more dodging and deflection, not to mention moving of goalposts.:rolleyes:
 
Truther theory requires that either FDNY were wrong in their assessment, or colluding with the 'perps'.

Where's the evidence for either conclusion? Is there evidence that FDNY did not observe the degradation of WTC 7's condition?
Is there evidence that FDNY received orders to lie about the condition and assessment?

Now would be a good time to present this evidence, or withdraw the theory as failed. Your call, truthers.
 
Miragememories said:
Since it was never shown that the bulge was a global identifier than you have no point to make.

If you exclude the NIST, than you had better proffer a new theory and admit you disagree with theirs.

MM
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You're trying to spin this into something it isn't. This isn't about NIST right now.

- I said the bulging disproves CD.
- You say the bulging isn't a global identifier for the NIST collapse sim.

Apples and Horses. You are attempting to change the subject to fit your answer. Bottom line is that a bulge disproves CD. You have not addressed my statement in any qualifying context.
 
alienentity said:
It is not preposterous to claim that a visible bulge developing in a building with uncontrolled fires is a symptom of a fatal condition.

It is just logical, that's all. Clearly FDNY had no problem diagnosing the probability of collapse given the symptoms. The fact that they were correct is no doubt infuriating to 9/11 Truthers, but that is not relevant to the cause of collapse.
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Try and keep up AE.

All bulges are not created equal.

A bulge may be a global symptom. That is not under dispute.

No evidence was ever presented to support the contention that the observed bulge in the damaged southeast corner of WTC7
was indeed a global symptom.

Supposedly the FDNY had the transit results.

I'm sure they would have provided the NIST with any damning information.

The NIST reported nothing other than the fact that a bulge was reported and a transit used.

MM
 
All MM or any other truther has to do is provide the scientific community and skeptics examples of buildings that were demolished using either therm*te or special semi-silent or silent explosives, and we'll be done with this topic.

Why won't they provide the evidence to support their claims? What happened to 'burden of proof' when it comes to 9/11 Truth allegations? M.I.A.
 
Miragememories said:
Supposedly the FDNY had the transit results.

I'm sure they would have provided the NIST with any damning information.

The NIST reported nothing other than the fact that a bulge was reported and a transit used.

MM
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Prove that FDNY did not have this evidence. You have not done so.

NIST noted the report of the bulge, which corroborates the whole idea, it doesn't undermine it. Careful you don't contradict your own position!

Bottom line: The bulge is consistent with progressive degradation of the building.

It is NOT consistent with explosive controlled demolition...oops! Too bad so sad!:(
 
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