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What's with the Muslim "God is great!" bit?

Robin said:
*sigh* yet another Muslim bashing thread.

This is a part of the Muslim call to prayer and also a part of each prayer. Muslims say this before going into supplication to God.

Most Muslims don't go around murdering people.
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We need to free 90% of the 1.3 billion souls from their vicious dictators. Any ideas?
 
Freethinker said:
It seems to me that saying "God is great!" makes much more sense given their belief than the Christian proclivity for saying "Praise Jesus!" or "Praise God!", since neither of the latter amounts to actually praising either of them.
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Humorous, but I suggest those statements are not commands (with an understood subject of "you") but similar exclamations, with an understood subject of "I", as in "I praise god!"

As they are translations of "hallelujah", i.e. "praise Ya", as in Yahweh, I'd have to defer to an ancient Hebrew specialist as to whether my supposition about it being a direct praise rather than a command is correct.
 
TimCallahan said:
At the present time, Christians don't seem to be celebrating when their 17 year-old kid blows himself up to kill some other teenagers. It seems to me that Islam is, right now, where Christianity was at the time of the Thirty Years War.
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really ?
so they don't celebrate the life of young dead soldiers then because they were so patriotic that they died for their country,
http://militarytimes.com/valor/

You are like many others, equating the beliefs of extremists with the religious ideals of Islam

thats bad, its like saying all Christians are paranoid survivalists intent on bringing down the Government
 
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Marduk said:
really ?
so they don't celebrate the life of young dead soldiers then because they were so patriotic that they died for their country,
http://militarytimes.com/valor/

You are like many others, equating the beliefs of extremists with the religious ideals of Islam

thats bad, its like saying all Christians are paranoid survivalists intent on bringing down the Government
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The daily bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan are attacks, not defensive activities.
The perps are murdering, not defending.
 
Marduk said:
so bigotry is the answer ?
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Bigotry?
Pointing to the pointless deaths of sectarian warfare isn't bigotry.
As Thomas Jefferson said "Whether a man says there's 20 gods or no gods, it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg".
The endless strife between the Islamic sects is each sect intending to do exactly that.. Pick my pocket, or break my leg, and all for nothing but noises in some people's heads.. such as the Twelvers.. waiting for that drowned kid to come back out of that well after 1000 years... and cheerfully murdering any and all who happen to think otherwise, or don't even care.
The sumbitch is dead.
And dissolved!
Recycled.
Just part of the water table.
 
DC said:
Nothing other religions don't have, but Charity comes to mind.
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And unlike other religions, the Green Crescent facilities get hundreds of victims of deliberate violence daily.
The Red Cross mostly gets victims of accidental situations.
Real world religious (and secular) charities feed the hungry and house the homeless, mostly circumstantial incidents.
 
I Ratant said:
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Bigotry?
Pointing to the pointless deaths of sectarian warfare isn't bigotry.
As Thomas Jefferson said "Whether a man says there's 20 gods or no gods, it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg".
The endless strife between the Islamic sects is each sect intending to do exactly that.. Pick my pocket, or break my leg, and all for nothing but noises in some people's heads.. such as the Twelvers.. waiting for that drowned kid to come back out of that well after 1000 years... and cheerfully murdering any and all who happen to think otherwise, or don't even care.
The sumbitch is dead.
And dissolved!
Recycled.
Just part of the water table.
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So in your opinion, what percentage of Moslems are terrorists or involved in violence ?
 
I Ratant said:
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And unlike other religions, the Green Crescent facilities get hundreds of victims of deliberate violence daily.
The Red Cross mostly gets victims of accidental situations.
Real world religious (and secular) charities feed the hungry and house the homeless, mostly circumstantial incidents.
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and the supporting evidence is?
 
Marduk said:
So in your opinion, what percentage of Moslems are terrorists or involved in violence ?
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Very few.
Mostly those not in the real world.
Those where Islam is the state religion, and there is no democracy appear to be the worst exhibitors of the barbarisms that offend normal people.
I see Muslims all the time at the Mall, and talk and purchase stuff and have no fear of my life.
I bet it's because they prefer the US to whatever Stone Age country with its Sharia and constant sectarian warfare they fled.
But it doesn't take many murderous nuts yelling about Allah to smear all of the Muslims. The occasional loose nut over here seems to fail many more times than succeed at being murderous for Allah.
 
DC said:
and the supporting evidence is?
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Extrapolation.
The Green Crescent provides aid to the down-and-out, just like charities in the real world.
But every day, a few dozen seriously maimed Muslims need their services, unlike the charities here in the real world, whose facilities and resources may be loaded on very unusual occasions with large numbers of the needy, but not on a daily basis, with unbelievable wounds capriciously inflicted by their neighbors as is typical of Baghdad, say.
 
I Ratant said:
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But it doesn't take many murderous nuts yelling about Allah to smear all of the Muslims. The occasional loose nut over here seems to fail many more times than succeed at being murderous for Allah.
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Thats just the way that you perceive it, when I see murderous nuts yelling about Allah I think "terrorists using religion as a motive", the same as when I see murderous nuts yelling about Jesus I think "terrorists using religion as a motive",
They do not represent the religion and you should not think that they do. That you do is because of your personal and irrelevant bias


I Ratant said:
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Extrapolation.
The Green Crescent provides aid to the down-and-out, just like charities in the real world.
But every day, a few dozen seriously maimed Muslims need their services, unlike the charities here in the real world, whose facilities and resources may be loaded on very unusual occasions with large numbers of the needy, but not on a daily basis, with unbelievable wounds capriciously inflicted by their neighbors as is typical of Baghdad, say.
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The green crescent is a health insurance company and a British-registered charity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Crescent_Insurance_Company_(GCC)
The red crescent organisation is part of the Red cross
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Red_Cross_and_Red_Crescent_Societies
I shall surmise from this willful ignorance on your part that your bigotry is now answering questions
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I Ratant said:
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Extrapolation.
The Green Crescent provides aid to the down-and-out, just like charities in the real world.
But every day, a few dozen seriously maimed Muslims need their services, unlike the charities here in the real world, whose facilities and resources may be loaded on very unusual occasions with large numbers of the needy, but not on a daily basis, with unbelievable wounds capriciously inflicted by their neighbors as is typical of Baghdad, say.
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And that has to do with Islam what exactly? i think you are confusing terrorism with Islam.
 
DC said:
And that has to do with Islam what exactly? i think you are confusing terrorism with Islam.
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Including under the umbrella of "terrorism" the annual slaughterings of Shiites by Sunnis, and Sunnis by Shiites on their respective holy days, none of which occurs in the real world, and noting the large number of splinter Christian groups... probably 5 within a mile of me right now, with their lack of such assaults on all the other divisions in Christianity, Islam is particularly subject to internal terrorism, in the Stone Age Whogivesacrapistans that have it instead of the rule of secular law, as the real world is blessed with..
The civil authorities don't bomb splinter groups in retaliation for bombings, the secular arm finds the source(s) of the murders and arrests and prosecutes them.
This could be why although there are many Muslims around the world, it's mostly in the religious countries that murder is perfectly OK.
 
I Ratant said:
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Including under the umbrella of "terrorism" the annual slaughterings of Shiites by Sunnis, and Sunnis by Shiites on their respective holy days, none of which occurs in the real world, and noting the large number of splinter Christian groups... probably 5 within a mile of me right now, with their lack of such assaults on all the other divisions in Christianity, Islam is particularly subject to internal terrorism, in the Stone Age Whogivesacrapistans that have it instead of the rule of secular law, as the real world is blessed with..
The civil authorities don't bomb splinter groups in retaliation for bombings, the secular arm finds the source(s) of the murders and arrests and prosecutes them.
This could be why although there are many Muslims around the world, it's mostly in the religious countries that murder is perfectly OK.
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what do you mean with real world?
and which religion says its perfectly OK to murder?
 
DC said:
what do you mean with real world?
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Any country that is free of control by the Koran.
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and which religion says its perfectly OK to murder?
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You mean other than these from the Koran?
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"Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9:5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q. 14: 17). "
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I guess one might make a stretch and say these parts of the Koran legitimize murder, which means the answer to "which religion" would be Islam.
 
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