Merged Israel Attacks Palestinian Aid Flotilla, According To Reports

[Stout]

It sets alarm bells over here but not there because the way you used "brown people" on this thread is completely different to how it is used in the article you linked too.


Evidently, though, this vast difference in usage is imperceptible to you.

The article is talking about how empathy is influenced by skin color and the phrase "brown people" is being used as a neutral description of people with brown skin.

Your use it it to describe Egypt , in the context of a generalized rant about shrieking, jumping, protesting, white leftist activists types, your beloved PC community , appeared to be no more than racism-flavored trolling.

Perhaps, though, you can offer a different reason for casually referring to Egypt as "brown peoples land". I'd be interested to hear it.

So it's not so much the actual term then, excellent. You've been doing some research

It's the WAY I used, a little to casually. OK, next time I'll use it more formally and capitalise it Brown People...no sweat

I'm sorry my argument offended your sensibilities, but now that we're over this terminology thing, care to address it?

 

[JihadJane]

So it's not so much the actual term then, excellent. You've been doing some research

It's the WAY I used, a little to casually. OK, next time I'll use it more formally and capitalise it Brown People...no sweat

I'm sorry my argument offended your sensibilities, but now that we're over this terminology thing, care to address it?

Address what?

The actual term "brown people" was never the issue nor was your hard-to-spot, alleged "argument". You labeling Egypt "brown peoples land" is the issue.

The issue also has nothing to do with "offending sensibilities" though I understand that that is what a troll hopes to do.

 

[Stout]

Address what?

The actual term "brown people" was never the issue nor was your hard-to-spot, alleged "argument". You labeling Egypt "brown peoples land" is the issue.

The issue also has nothing to do with "offending sensibilities" though I understand that that is what a troll hopes to do.

Oh, so it's the phrase that's got your knickers all atwist.

Let's just change it then to.....a land largely inhabited by non whites, or, if you really want to go for the gold, the land of the other.

Satisfied?

Continue please.

 

[DC]

Oh, so it's the phrase that's got your knickers all atwist.

Let's just change it then to.....a land largely inhabited by non whites, or, if you really want to go for the gold, the land of the other.

Satisfied?

Continue please.

Why are you so obsessed with people's skin color?

 

[JihadJane]

Oh, so it's the phrase that's got your knickers all atwist.

Let's just change it then to.....a land largely inhabited by non whites, or, if you really want to go for the gold, the land of the other.

Satisfied?

Continue please.

Are you aware that racism harms people?

 

[bit_pattern]

Out of curiosity, B_P, how many people not engaged in offensive operations against Israeli boarding parties were given any cause to wish they had brought gas masks?

Well, I don't think gas was deployed, so that's a moot point. However, in terms of other deployment of violence that the boarding parties used, ie. electroshock weapons, the answer would be; quite a lot (not to mention, had gas been deployed the obvious question is all of them, because gas is indiscriminate, but I digress). Two cases in point; Australian photographer for Fairfax (one of our biggest media companies) Kate Geraghty was attacked with an electroshock weapon without reason or provocation, which corroborates many other accounts from the night. Second, when the IDF boarded the 'Jewish' flotilla a week or so ago and encountered no resistance the activists were attacked in the same unprovoked manner with the same electroshock weapons. What we have established here is a pattern of abuse which I think answers what I am sure was supposed to be your rhetorical question quite definitively: protective equipment that might offer some measure of defence against unprovoked and disproportionate aggression would indeed be prudent for anyone aboard a vessel boarded by the IDF.

 

[JihadJane]

Well, I don't think gas was deployed...

Eye witnesses report tear gas being used aganist the Mavi Marmara, e.g.

 

[bit_pattern]

I stand corrrected...

 

[amb]

Address what?

The actual term "brown people" was never the issue nor was your hard-to-spot, alleged "argument". You labeling Egypt "brown peoples land" is the issue.

The issue also has nothing to do with "offending sensibilities" though I understand that that is what a troll hopes to do.

If the Egyptians were labeled as Albinos, would there be such an outrage and calls of racism?

 

[DC]

If the Egyptians were labeled as Albinos, would there be such an outrage and calls of racism?

from me, yes.

what the heck is going on with labeling countries by the skin color of its inhabitants? What does it matter what color their skin has anyway? They are human beings like you and me, no matter what color.

 

[JihadJane]

If the Egyptians were labeled as Albinos, would there be such an outrage and calls of racism?

Why would anyone label Egypt "Albino peoples land"?

 

[Stout]

Are you aware that racism harms people?

Yes, and I'm sure the poor defenseless people of Egypt are sleeping soundly in their beds knowing that JihadJane is out there in the cyber world protecting them.

 

[JihadJane]

Yes, and I'm sure the poor defenseless people of Egypt are sleeping soundly in their beds knowing that JihadJane is out there in the cyber world protecting them.

How do you think racism harms people?

 

[Pardalis]

The actual term "brown people" was never the issue nor was your hard-to-spot, alleged "argument". You labeling Egypt "brown peoples land" is the issue.

I thought the issue was the Gaza flotilla.

 

[Stout]

I thought the issue was the Gaza flotilla.

Hopefully, eventually, it will be again, but right now it's all about me

 

[DC]

What, you mean other than a bunch of white leftist activists who usually spend their time calling other people racists jumping on a plane, flying over to the brown peoples land ( Egypt ) and telling them that they're doing it wrong ? Or that those same activist types are always shrieking about climate change and our dependence on fossil fuels think nothing of hopping on a jet and flying across the ocean, like they did to protest at Copenhagen ?

Then blogging about it like it was some sort of adventure holiday

Other than those, nothing really.

So you think it is wrong for people from Canada to protest something Egypt is doing? why? i don't get that.

And yes the example you brought up is a pretty crazy hypocrite. But i dont really see what that has to do with the protest in Egypt.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

So back to the Flotillas

So Hamas, a group who's stated goal is to destroy Israel has a habit of launching rockets into Israel. Because Hamas violates most Geneva conventions by using human shields, Israel decides to intercept rockets from being shipped into the country via supply ships since this will lessen the casualties caused by Hamas using human shields as their primary defense.

To do this they set up a naval blockade and inspect all shipments. The Flottillas rather than trying to deliver aid concentrate on breaking the naval blockade. An act of war. One which if successful will allow countries like Iran to resume shipping missiles back to Hamas.

Despite the flotillas agressive act of war and intentionally carrying out an act of war against Israel, they also decide the attack the soldiers boarding to stop the ship (which is how a blockade works). There was no question that the boats would be boarded. That's what is supposed to happen on a blockade. Israel did not come attack their ship, the ship attacked the blockade which can only result in soldiers boarding the ship to redirect it.

The IDF who has to face brutal attacks dares to taser people who have broken a military blockade and commit an act of war against them. Oh the humanity. Don't want to be tasered? Don't break a military blockade. Just deliver your aid to port so the people can get it. If you don't want to be attacked back in a non-lethal manner, don't attack a military. If you don't want to be shot to death, then don't attack a military and then attack their soldiers. If you want to deliver supplies, then deliver them to the appropriate port.

 

[Stout]

So you think it is wrong for people from Canada to protest something Egypt is doing? why? i don't get that.

One of the left's cornerstone stances is insisting upon the west's non-interference in the affairs of other sovereign nations and cultures. If Egypt decides it wants to sever ties with Hamas, just how does the left try to justify committing acts that they demand others don't ?

Short answer ism, they don't they just ignore the whole issue, pat themselves on the back for a job well done and look to see themselves on the evening news.

it's also condescending, as if the Egyptian pro-Palestinian movement can't, or won't do what they, the Canadian activists, think needs to be done. There is an Egyptian pro Palestinian movement...right ?

If the left wants to protest about Egypt, then why haven't they initiated a BDS campaign like they did with Israel ? Or protest the massive amounts of foreign aid sent to Egypt, like they do to Israel ?

The environmental angle is a loosing proposition, I know that, like sheesh, thinking that activists would actually try to reduce their carbon footprint in anything more than a cosmetic way. Have you ever heard an eco-warrior stand up and say something like "for the health of the planet, I will never, ever travel for a holiday again"

No ?

I have, just one, and I've been using this argument for 6 years. Sure there's all sorts of justifications for travelling, in this case, to tell the Egyptians what to do, but there's the whole experiencing other cultures thing which i hear the most often. Give that up? Take direct action ? Acknowledge that you're part of the problem ? Heck no !

Just protest and complain about what other people are doing.

 

[DC]

One of the left's cornerstone stances is insisting upon the west's non-interference in the affairs of other sovereign nations and cultures. If Egypt decides it wants to sever ties with Hamas, just how does the left try to justify committing acts that they demand others don't ?

Short answer ism, they don't they just ignore the whole issue, pat themselves on the back for a job well done and look to see themselves on the evening news.

it's also condescending, as if the Egyptian pro-Palestinian movement can't, or won't do what they, the Canadian activists, think needs to be done. There is an Egyptian pro Palestinian movement...right ?

If the left wants to protest about Egypt, then why haven't they initiated a BDS campaign like they did with Israel ? Or protest the massive amounts of foreign aid sent to Egypt, like they do to Israel ?

The environmental angle is a loosing proposition, I know that, like sheesh, thinking that activists would actually try to reduce their carbon footprint in anything more than a cosmetic way. Have you ever heard an eco-warrior stand up and say something like "for the health of the planet, I will never, ever travel for a holiday again"

No ?

I have, just one, and I've been using this argument for 6 years. Sure there's all sorts of justifications for travelling, in this case, to tell the Egyptians what to do, but there's the whole experiencing other cultures thing which i hear the most often. Give that up? Take direct action ? Acknowledge that you're part of the problem ? Heck no !

Just protest and complain about what other people are doing.

So in Canada the left does not protest Human rights violations of other countries? Here the left actually demands our government to officially talk about Human rights violations in China and Iran for example.

About traveling, there are people that do actually stop things they would like to do, like having a car or a bigger car, but rather use bikes and public transportations, there are people that actually use alternative ways of travel for holly days.

And i think most people that do not deny Global Warming are aware that they are part of the problem.

 

[Stout]

So in Canada the left does not protest Human rights violations of other countries? Here the left actually demands our government to officially talk about Human rights violations in China and Iran for example.

Not really, save for Israel. They're rather reluctant to address human rights issues in other countries, especially in those inhabited by "the other". Unless, of course, there's some sort of "the west made it happen" angle to it. On the far left forum that I read daily, issues like that are swept under the carpet and ignored.

FWIW, I'm an ex lefty, I left the left because I got tired of playing oppression olympics and who is more left, who is more moral, who is more righteous. I see the attitude hasn't evolved.

Yes, I'm aware that people use alternative transportation. I certainly do but for my own selfish reasons. I hate driving and I actually like cycling and walking. Except somebody stole my bicycle, so I'm in the market for a new one.

What I'm loathe to do is, go to protests against the corporations, or against oil and gas because I like having those things available. Sure, I could squawk and moan, that's easy, and lets face it, going to protests is kind of fun. I'd sure feel like a heel patronising those industries I'm protesting, especially if I was consuming their products "just for fun"

And i think most people that do not deny Global Warming are aware that they are part of the problem.

Yes, I agree and most people simply shrug it off by saying things like " that's for my government to worry about".

Most people don't go to protests though. it's only a small fraction and of that small fraction we have a tiny fraction of "extreme" protesters like the Freedom Marchers and the MM passengers. These are the guys i expect the most out of, to opt out of the spoils of capitalism, to eschew the luxuries that western society provides us. When they fail to do that, when they fail to live up to ideals they demand of others, is when I call shenanigans.