This appears to be applicable to this thread;
re:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/3815409/1/#new
Oystein said:
"You are misrepresenting the argument at JREF."
There are many confused arguments presented by the JREF Official Conspiracy Theory supporters. I referenced what seemed to be the most popular.
Oystein said:
"You do admit that both penthouses fell down into the core of WTC7, right? So something must have been destroyed inside. Correct or not?"
Yes, the east penthouse was observed to collapse prior to global collapse initiation. Clearly this indicated a loss of vertical support from
immediately below. The west penthouse began its collapse in conjunction with the global collapse.
Oystein said:
"Available video do not show "all" the noth face - only the upper half or less.
NIST does not say, mean or imply "just the actual face of WTC7". You on the other hand say and apparently mean "the building" when NIST "just" mentions the north face. The reason NIST "just" mentions the north face is that that is what can actually be seen and measured."
I never accepted that that was the NIST's belief.
After many years of investigation, the NIST released a final draft of their WTC 7 collapse report. In the this draft, they amazingly still did not admit to any evidence of free fall. They were forced to change this conclusion after receiving much publicized feedback pointing out this dramatic error.
In their final revised report, they deliberately choose wording designed to create the illusion that only the north face facade was involved in free fall.
You and your ilk at JREF jump all over anyone whenever the WTC 7 "north face" is characterized as embodying anything more..
Oystein said:
"It is very important to understand that the core of the building - everything behind the face - was not anymore structurally sound and intact, as evidenced by the prior collapse of the penthouses.
If the core on the west side started falling before the face - and it did - it would have pulled the floors down. Thus, the floors also started descent before the face. When the face started falling, the core and the better part of the floors was already underway, and these quite likely never experienced freefall acceleration."
Well it is important to
your belief in the NIST theory.
You can state a theory as fact over and over until the cows come home but it still remains
only a theory.
The collapse of the penthouses reveal some sort of failure directly below them. It is a bold assumption to believe the rest of what you hypothesize.
In the approximately 7 seconds from the start of the east penthouse collapse to the observed global collapse of WTC7, you suggest that the internal structure is collapsing floor-by-floor but at a speed less than free fall.
Yet miraculously, in spite of all this internal structural devastation, only a few windows appear to have broken on the upper northeast face.
Here we have the NIST proposing that collapse initiation started with column 79, at its floor 13 location, after a heat induced loss of all lateral support over 5 floors.
This buckling failure supposedly continued from floor 13 upwards to a point below the east penthouse and supposedly accounted for the failure there.
In the 7 seconds before global collapse was observable, floors structurally anchored to the core and perimeter columns supposedly began falling inwards placing great torque on their perimeter column connections, yet the only physical effect observed on the north face of WTC 7 was a few broken windows.
I have to say that is absolutely too incredible to be believable!
MM
