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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2699.2009.02152.x/full#f1.

Here is a study in the Journal BioGeography, that looks at a certain modeling software.

It uses BIGFOOT sighting data in the modeling software. Their point at the end, is that they used Bigfoot sightings to show that the modeling software is only as good as the data put into it. I think the software even said that based on the data that BF should be a fairly common animal.

I think a statistics expert should be able to decipher it better than I can.
 
Drewbot said:
WGBH is back. What happened? We were talking about your sighting, and then you disappeared.
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You do not agree that I had a sighting Drew, so what more is there for us to discuss about it?
 
WGBH said:
You do not agree that I had a sighting Drew, so what more is there for us to discuss about it?
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I believe you had a sighting, I just don't think you saw an actual Bigfoot.

Look at this formula:

INPUT STIMULI I1, I2, I3, I4... = OUTPUT X

OUTPUT X = SIGHTING
A sighting is an output function

INPUT (IX) could be any number of inputs that lead you to believe you had a sighting.

I don't believe that the input stimulus was an actual bigfoot. However I do believe that you had an input that created an output of a sighting.
 
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Tube.

If you have the time or want to do so regarding "dermal ridges" experimentation, try this. Make or use if you have them and leave them out in the weather for several months totally exposed to the sunlight , rain , snow etc.
Once done, take some silicone caulking and cover the "foot" for at least two inches above the bottom and let it dry (cover lightly with cooking spray first.) Remove the new mold from the foot and tack the edges down on the opposite foot , assuming you have a set of them and not just one.

The grain from the wood will show in the silicone and allow you to walk and leave tracks with what appears to be a flexible "foot" with dermals in it depending on the soil condition.

And No , before it starts. I've never used them anywhere except my garden area in the back of my house to try this. Just to quell the thoughts that I've hoaxed with them in the past or something.
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Jim;

Very interesting! For one thing, silicone caulk is VASTLY cheaper and more available then the urethane compound that I bought.

I'm a bit unclear as to your procedure; wouldn't your final texture resemble wood grain? Real dermals have loops, whorls, deltas, cores, bifurcations, and other features that wood grain does not.

Then again, seeing as how the hair from an elk was interpreted as "dermal ridges" perhaps wood grain might still make the cut...
 
tube said:
I'm a bit unclear as to your procedure; wouldn't your final texture resemble wood grain? Real dermals have loops, whorls, deltas, cores, bifurcations, and other features that wood grain does not.

Then again, seeing as how the hair from an elk was interpreted as "dermal ridges" perhaps wood grain might still make the cut...
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I swear that someone here once posted a quote by John Green about seeming faint "dermals" in a Wallacefoot track, with the implication that he was merely seeing wood grain...

Oh, and I've learned that the "Mystery Hunters" tie-in book Gotcha!: 18 Amazing Ways to Freak Out Your Friends has a tutorial about making Bigfoot tracks using feet constructed from aluminum foil and and masking tape! Although I think duct tape would be a sturdier choice, this method does offer some interesting possibilities.

And since Halloween is coming, here's a heads-up on a decoration with fairly large hands and (half) feet that have dermals called "Marcus the Carcass."
 
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Jim;

Very interesting! For one thing, silicone caulk is VASTLY cheaper and more available then the urethane compound that I bought.

I'm a bit unclear as to your procedure; wouldn't your final texture resemble wood grain? Real dermals have loops, whorls, deltas, cores, bifurcations, and other features that wood grain does not.

Then again, seeing as how the hair from an elk was interpreted as "dermal ridges" perhaps wood grain might still make the cut...
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That's why you leave them out in the weather. It helps to create those pock marks and "scarring" effect seen in some casts of alleged BF feet. I don't know if they would show up in a casting or not (Personally, I see casting as pointless) but they certainly show up in the soil. But the results may not be typical , since I've only tried it twice and my "feet' were left out over the winter. The ground was fairly saturated as well at the time since the garden area is right next to my pool.
 
Jimf, Tube, are you talking about a wooden foot like Alderfoot? and what is tacking it to the opposite foot?
 
Hunster or Dr. Stangelove, you residents of the den can decide:
The problem is the deceitful debate tactics and vitriol with which skeptics and denialists attack those who successfully debate with them. More, the clear, researchable, and quotable "den" where skeptics gather to discuss their offensives on believers as well as on the BFF itself.

This is an ideological war, and it centers on belief, doubt, and denial.
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http://www.skyvalleychronicle.com/BREAKING-NEWS/PHOTO-OF-THE-DAY-br-Sasquatch-483543

This guy obviously owes the JREF at least a mention.
From the article said:
All right kids. Listen up and listen good because we ain’t gonna repeat this stuff

It’s time to go to school.

Write this down: there is not now – NOR HAS THERE EVER BEEN – a big fat hairy tall ape in the American woods called Bigfoot or Sasquatch or whatever they call him these days.

And that is despite all the old Indian legends, all the old logger tales from Oregon in the 1940’s and 50’s and everything else.

Despite the fact that 70% of the American public believes in angels, ghosts, bigfoot, UFO's and guys named Ralphie that can walk through walls, there ain’t no big apes in the forests of the U.S.A. Period. (We'll get to ghosts and all that other stuff another day).

How do we know there’s no Sasquatch? Because of our patented Sky Valley Chronicle 7 Point Proof System that's now being used in all the major universities as well as the U.S. Military. To wit item by item:
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Oldest photo of a Bigfoot track?


Chris Murphy said:
To my knowledge, this is the oldest photograph of a sasquatch footprint. The print is 16 inches long and it was found in a dry gulch about two miles below Spirit Lake in the Mount St. Helens, Washington, area. The photo is dated October 30, 1930.
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It kinda looks like a Wallace Stomper. Larger photo at link.
 

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Rant Mullins...


"Mullins, a retired logger, disclosed this spring that while working for the Forest Service in 1930, he and some of his friends decided to "have some fun." Mullins fashioned a pair of 9 inch by 17 inch "feet" with a hatchet and a jack-knife from a piece of alder wood.

"Bill Lambert, who was with Mullins, took the wooden feet to a spot at the base of Mount St. Helens where there were some huckleberry pickers."

"In all, Rant Mullins claims he made eight sets of these wooden feet, most of which went to California. After explaining how he carved them, Mullins displayed his last set for the Skeptical Inquirer. They bore a striking resemblance to the 14.5 inch plaster casts of tracks cast by such famous Bigfoot proponents as Bob Gimlin, Rene Dahinden and Roger Patterson."

"Mullins claimed he talked with an associate of Patterson who help hoax Patterson's famous "Bigfoot" film taken at Bluff Creek, California October 20, 1967. Mullins was told the costume was made of bear hides."
Michael Dennett, Skeptical Inquirer, 1982


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parnassus said:
I think that there was a tradition of hoaxing around there. I'd have to find the reference.
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The Ape Canyon story must've already had some traction by then in the Mount St. Helens area. Huntster just posted a link to Fred Beck's account that mentions Indian legends of mean, wild sasquatches in the area, so the tradition must go back a long time.

Agreed it looks stomper-y.
 
The Shrike said:
The Ape Canyon story must've already had some traction by then in the Mount St. Helens area. Huntster just posted a link to Fred Beck's account that mentions Indian legends of mean, wild sasquatches in the area, so the tradition must go back a long time.
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IIRC, Beck didn't even tell the Ape Canyon story until 1966. Then it was first printed in 1967.


Agreed it looks stomper-y.
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It is very, very close to the Wallace Alderfoots. I wonder if Mullins gave his stompers to Wallace. The heel area is almost a perfect match with Wallace. They remind me of upside-down bowling pins.
 
Wallace and Mullins were friends from childhood. They later were neighbors at Toledo, WA as adults.

Beck's story (though it was really the story of the 5 miners of whom Beck was one) who were pelted with rocks) was well-publicized in 1924 in the newspapers; it was famous, and of course it resulted from pranksters throwing rocks.

Fred Beck told his version of the story to Patterson in 1966 and that is when it was published, in Patterson's book.
 
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