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why mormon (LDS) worshipers are not Christians

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its comes down to the idea that the "book of mormons" is blasphemous, and Joseph Smith being a charlatan (albeit an epic one).

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The Book of Mormon is a sacred text of the Latter Day Saint movement. It was first published in March 1830 by Joseph Smith, Jr. as The Book of Mormon: An Account Written by the Hand of Mormon upon Plates Taken from the Plates of Nephi.[1] According to Smith's account, and also according to the book's narrative, the Book of Mormon was originally written in otherwise unknown characters referred to as "reformed Egyptian" engraved on golden plates. Smith said that he received these plates in 1827 from an angel named Moroni,[2] whom Smith identified as a resurrected[3] indigenous American who had written and abridged parts of the book over a millennium ago. According to Smith, Moroni had buried the plates in a stone box, along with other ancient artifacts,[4] in a hill near Smith's home in Manchester, New York.
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The official position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and that of most in the LDS movement is that it is a literal historical record.[40]
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if your not familiar with the text, imagine a david ike novel hijacking an established religion, rewriting "history"

its a shame that in the United States the propaganda the LDS group has created, has left many to assume a Christian relationship. i have nothing against mormons personally, neither am i a practicing Christian .. but the book of mormon is otherwise a disgrace to Christianity.
 
Christianity is a disgrace to humanity, so what's your point?
 
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Im looking for a discussion about why mormons consider themselves Christians and why the popular consensus is that mormons are Christians?
 
dvictr said:
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Im looking for a discussion about why mormons consider themselves Christians
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Ask a Mormon. Actually, you may need to ask a lot of them, because they probably have different answers to some degree. I'd suspect that most of the answers will center around them calling Christ their god.

and why the popular consensus is that mormons are Christians?
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Because they say they are.
 
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Mormons believe that Jesus was the Son of God and the Messiah, sent to Earth to suffer for the sins of Mankind. AFAIAK, they are Christians.
 
Piscivore said:
If you are not Christian, why do you care what "disgraces" it?
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its actually a bitterness I have with Mitt Romney as a politician, the guy is a swindler and will try to sell the public that he is a Christian and a representative of the largest religion in this country.

He would have zero chance as an open hindu/ pastafarian/ kebollah/ polygamist/ Scientology/ jehova witness etc.. i doubt a jew could be elected president.. but apparently Romney is Chrisitian enough!?!?
 
Mormons believe in a superior God whose son Jesus as some kind of human/god hybrid came to Earth, died to absolve sin and was resurrected, right? Correct me if I'm wrong about any of that.
If I'm not, what definition of Christian is out there that wouldn't include them?
Yeah they believe in a few additional silly things, but they seem to have the core silly concept down.
 
IMST said:
Yeah they believe in a few additional silly things, but they seem to have the core silly concept down.
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alright, i see where you are going.. but to correct you "a few" would be an understatement.

the core concept they are missing- is that the bible is God's final word and and any subsequent book claiming to be holy violates a commandment.
 
Thunder said:
Mormons believe that Jesus was the Son of God and the Messiah, sent to Earth to suffer for the sins of Mankind. AFAIAK, they are Christians.
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The issue is the Mormon concept of "God". I won't go into details..just google search it...but The Mormons beleive that God The Father was once a Man and became a God. This is directly against classic Christian theology. It's a very basic difference .
 
IMST,

Well, it's a Christian-based religion/cult. Almost all religions start out as cults, when they get sufficiently large do they all become religions, or do some still remain cults? I'm not an expert on religion or occult, so I don't know
 
dvictr said:
alright, i see where you are going.. but to correct you "a few" would be an understatement.

the core concept they are missing- is that the bible is God's final word and and any subsequent book claiming to be holy violates a commandment.
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If that's the case, shouldn't you be biotching about Muslims and the Quran as well?
 
dudalb said:
The issue is the Mormon concept of "God". I won't go into details..just google search it...but The Mormons beleive that God The Father was once a Man and became a God. This is directly against classic Christian theology. It's a very basic difference .
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How do you know you are correct and the Morons are wrong? :boggled:
 
dvictr said:
they're not claiming to be Chrisitans
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True, but as one of the three Abrahamic (for Plumjam) dogmas, Islam claims to be the final word as well. These superstitions think a lot of themselves.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
How do you know you are correct and the Morons are wrong? :boggled:
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i didn't say that and i don't.

its more an issue of false advertisement and potentially tax evasion. obviously big brother and consumer protection is asleep at the wheel
 
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dvictr said:
i didn't say that and i don't.

its more an issue of false advertisement and potentially tax evasion. obviously big brother and consumer protection is asleep at the wheel
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Given the way they operate, in the U.S. at least, couldn't you say that for all religions?
 
It says in Revelation somewhere that nothing can be added to the Bible. It's not a commandment as such, not one of the Big Ten, but it is in there. My understanding of the anti-Mormon position is that something written in the 1830s would be considered an addition, and therefore heretical. Thus, Mormons are heretics.

Disclaimer: I am not a priest, minister, or holy man of any stripe.
 
dvictr said:
i didn't say that and i don't.

its more an issue of false advertisement and potentially tax evasion. obviously big brother and consumer protection is asleep at the wheel
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All religious institutions falesly advertise. They promise eternal salvation, for starters.

Tax evasion? Are you serious? Do you think the IRS is interested in evaluating the truth in religious claims? As a matter of fact, that's not a bad idea -- then I wouldn't be subsidizing these scumbags (and I don't mean just the Mormon Church) with their non-tax paying ways.
 
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