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Dubai investigator received Mossad death threats

DC said:
and how do they do it?
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Seriously? I think the point implied is that the Mossad don't send death threats at all. If they want you dead, they assassinate you, and don't tip you off beforehand. Even people who hate Israel have to concede that the Mossad aren't a bunch of amateurs.
 
The whole hit was pretty amateurish by all accounts, maybe their recruitment standards have dropped lately or something.
 
This story as reported as quite some holes in it. But:

lionking said:
The whole concept of an emailed death threat is ridiculous.
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So how do you send death threats? Do they have to be snail-mailed and be composed from single letters cut from newspaper and magazine headings to be a real death threat?
 
TragicMonkey said:
Cookie bouquet gift baskets.


Seriously? I think the point implied is that the Mossad don't send death threats at all. If they want you dead, they assassinate you, and don't tip you off beforehand. Even people who hate Israel have to concede that the Mossad aren't a bunch of amateurs.
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i think they are probably the best in their Job, but still i dont know what they do and what not. but it seems like some are very well informed how they work and how not, or at least they think they are.
 
DC said:
i think they are probably the best in their Job, but still i dont know what they do and what not. but it seems like some are very well informed how they work and how not, or at least they think they are.
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They managed to kidnap Vanunu, assassinate a bunch of Nazis in hiding in South America, and there was a minor contretemps involving a plane in Uganda a while back... I'd say the Mossad isn't generally given to footling about with sending empty death threats to people who complain to the media about it. But I don't know, maybe they have an intern manning the desk while everyone else is on vacation. To my mind, Occam's Razor suggests that a given organization can't be simultaneously bursting with evil effectiveness that should be feared and vilified but also incomptent and impotent to the point of being able to laugh off its efforts.
 
TragicMonkey said:
They managed to kidnap Vanunu, assassinate a bunch of Nazis in hiding in South America, and there was a minor contretemps involving a plane in Uganda a while back... I'd say the Mossad isn't generally given to footling about with sending empty death threats to people who complain to the media about it. But I don't know, maybe they have an intern manning the desk while everyone else is on vacation. To my mind, Occam's Razor suggests that a given organization can't be simultaneously bursting with evil effectiveness that should be feared and vilified but also incomptent and impotent to the point of being able to laugh off its efforts.
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so?
 
TragicMonkey said:
They managed to kidnap Vanunu, assassinate a bunch of Nazis in hiding in South America, and there was a minor contretemps involving a plane in Uganda a while back... I'd say the Mossad isn't generally given to footling about with sending empty death threats to people who complain to the media about it. But I don't know, maybe they have an intern manning the desk while everyone else is on vacation. To my mind, Occam's Razor suggests that a given organization can't be simultaneously bursting with evil effectiveness that should be feared and vilified but also incomptent and impotent to the point of being able to laugh off its efforts.
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The Entebbe Raid was not done by the Mossad. OTOH, you forgot to mention the kidnapping of Eichmann.

Those operations are all quite a while ago. In comparison, the Dubai assassination was a botched job. Couldn't it be, in general, that some complacency has set in and that standards had been slipping?

I'm reminded of the discussion in Israel after the 2006 Lebanon war, in which there was a lot of criticism on the IDF that it was much less an effective fighting force than it had been in previous wars.

I agree with you, though, that sending death threats - that are traceable on top of that - would be incredibly stupid.
 
DC said:
so?
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So does it sound reasonable to think that they're behind amateur, incompetent, un-followed-through-with death threats against someone who is then completely free to reveal them to the media?

That's like expecting the CIA to break into Osama bin Laden's hideout in order to write "penis" on his forehead in marker, then leave.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Cookie bouquet gift baskets.


Seriously? I think the point implied is that the Mossad don't send death threats at all. If they want you dead, they assassinate you, and don't tip you off beforehand. Even people who hate Israel have to concede that the Mossad aren't a bunch of amateurs.
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It's one thing to kill terrorists, quite another to kill officials in a foreign and relatively friendly, pro-west country. As exceptional as some people seem to think Israel is it does still have to adhere to some international standards. They copped enough heat over this botched operation as it is, they're not about to go and kill the investigating officer, but they, or maybe just one of the 'they' involved in the operation, might hope to scare an official with Mossad's fearsome reputation.
 
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"Evil" effectiveness? Feared and "vilified"?

What's so great about a man who discloses top secret information? What's so great about a bunch of Nazi cowards? What's so great about a bunch of terrorists kidnapping a plane with innocent civilians?

I think "effective and feared" is more of an accurate way to describe the Mossad.

And besides, why sin't anyone here questioning the claim made by this "investigator" in the first place? The man has achieved "heroic" status in the Arab world for dubious reasons so what's to stop him from adding a little more drama into the mix?

Conspiracy theory in the Arab world is more popular and prevalent than objective news. The Mossad, Mi5, CIA, etc are gold mines for ratings. Watch the documentary "My Trip to al-Qaeda". Then read "The Arab Mind".
 
bit_pattern said:
It's one thing to kill terrorists, quite another to kill officials in a foreign and relatively friendly, pro-west country. As exceptional as some people seem to think Israel is it does still have to adhere to some international standards. They copped enough heat over this botched operation as it is, there not about to go and kill the investigating officer, but they, or maybe just one of the 'they' involved in the operation, might hope to scare an official with Mossad's fearsome reputation.
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Um.. Israel did kill a terrorist. The punk deserved it.
 
TragicMonkey said:
So does it sound reasonable to think that they're behind amateur, incompetent, un-followed-through-with death threats against someone who is then completely free to reveal them to the media?

That's like expecting the CIA to break into Osama bin Laden's hideout in order to write "penis" on his forehead in marker, then leave.
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i never said i believe the story, but i am also not the one that claims stuff about their way of work without having any way of knowing it.
 
Pardalis said:
You accused people of being Mossad apologists, which implies you disagree with the assassination of the terrorist.
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or that he dislikes that identities of real people from allied countries were used?
 
theprestige said:
If Dubai police are able to determine, after the fact, the (dual) nationality of an alleged caller, as well as his current and past employment status, it seems to me that Dubai citizens have much more pressing concerns than alleged death threats by alleged Mossad agents.

I wonder what the outcry would be, if it were revealed that the U.S. government had the same kind of power.
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this sarcasm right?

Remember the popular revolt in America once people found out that major telecommunications companies had been creating rooms where ALL their signals pass through a government monitored checkpoint?

That'll learn the government to get too fancy with surveillance! ;)
 
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