Merged Israel Attacks Palestinian Aid Flotilla, According To Reports

[JihadJane]

That report is not accepted by Israel and most of the USA's government.

So what?

We await the report been done by the Israelis themselves and members of international neutral persons who have no axes to grind.

What axes do Judge Karl T. Hudson-Phillips, Sir Desmond de Silva and Ms. Mary Shanthi Dairiam have to grind?

 

[amb]

All are pro Palestinian.

 

[DC]

All are pro Palestinian.

when you make a claim, i just have to ask for evidence, sofar all your claims were totaly wrong.

so, Evidence?

 

[amb]

De Silva is a former UN prosecutor. I have already stated this organization has a majority of members who are tin pot dictatorships at worst or despots at best.
Who has more credibility, NATO or the UN ?

 

[DC]

De Silva is a former UN prosecutor. I have already stated this organization has a majority of members who are tin pot dictatorships at worst or despots at best.
Who has more credibility, NATO or the UN ?

And that is your evidence? really? you are not joking?

 

[bigjelmapro]

And that is your evidence? really? you are not joking?

I think he was more referring to the farce of the UNHRW than the entire UN, but I could be wrong.

All you have to look at are who reside on the UNHRW panel, ie Richard Falk and Jean Ziegler, the latter you should know since he's Swiss If you're not aware of their backgrounds, I suggest you look them up.

As for de Silva, he has a tendancy of side-stepping issues about the legality of the naval blockade, forwarding the same hapless attempt at delegitimizing Israel's justification for the naval blockade in the first place that is stated in the UNHRW Gaza flotilla report, which boils down to Gazans endure economic hardships, therefore disproportionate response, therefore illegal. As with the conclusions UNHRW did with the Goldstone report (which to some degree Goldstone was in dismay from), omitted are the direct responsibilities Hamas has in the terrorist attacks against Israel, both attempts and 'successful' attacks, Hamas's continued use of terror as a propaganda tool, and Hamas's continued proxy warfare against Israel in general. If you ignore these facts, then you are biased. Simple.

Here's a short youtube excerpt:



de Silva makes me a bit seasick with his pompous statements and tone.

And an excerpt from Hillel Neuer the day before:



UNHRW can also be mainly judged by what is tabled at the meetings and which countries are represented on it.

CNS article: 'Bias and Hypocrisy' Displayed at UN Rights Council, Say Critics

The United Nations' Human Rights Council has elected onto a panel of special advisors a left-wing Swiss sociologist with a record of sympathizing with the Castro and Mugabe regimes and criticizing the United States and Israel.

And in another move that drew fire, the U.N.'s top rights body also appointed an American academic strongly critical of Israel to a post dealing with Israel's conduct in the territories claimed by the Palestinians.

During its less than two years in existence, the Human Rights Council has itself been criticized -- by Western governments and two U.N. secretary-generals among others -- for focusing disproportionately on Israel, while paying relatively little attention to pressing rights issues elsewhere.

Meeting in Geneva on Wednesday, the council elected Swiss national Jean Ziegler as one of 18 members of an expert "advisory committee" that functions as the body's think tank.

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

 

[amb]

I think he was more referring to the farce of the UNHRW than the entire UN, but I could be wrong.

Spot on. Exactly what I was trying to say.

 

[DC]

Spot on. Exactly what I was trying to say.

why dont you just say what you want to say instead of saying totaly different things that are false?

 

[bigjelmapro]

DC, why not address the issues at hand?

 

[DC]

DC, why not address the issues at hand?

what issue?

 

[amb]

what issue?

The issue that the UNHRW is a biased report.

 

[DC]

The issue that the UNHRW is a biased report.

is it?

 

[bit_pattern]

The Israeli report into the incident was biased too, it was overwhelmingly authored by people who have a significant Israeli bias - hence it cannot be trusted, not even worth discussing its content, it must be dismissed out of hand.

 

[amb]

I'm inclined to believe a report produced by an entity that is daily threatened with destruction than one by the entity that wants that destruction.

 

[bigjelmapro]

Haha, nice try. There's actual evidence beyond that of contradictory eye witness testimony accepted at face value in the Israeli report.

 

[JihadJane]

The issue that the UNHRW is a biased report.

Would you like like to point out some specific incidences of bias in the report or some factual inaccuracies in it?

For example, do you disagree with its accounts of the passengers' deaths? Some, at least, do not appear to have been killed in self-defense at all.


Do you think the passengers were treated humanely?

 

[JihadJane]

I'm inclined to believe a report produced by an entity that is daily threatened with destruction than one by the entity that wants that destruction.

How does being daily threatened with destruction (even if that were true) make one less likely to be biased that wanting that destruction (even if that were true)?

 

[amb]

To both questions above. Please look up the Hamas policy for Palestine.

 

[JihadJane]

To both questions above. Please look up the Hamas policy for Palestine.

Have you actually read the UNHRW report or even looked at it?

 

[DC]

how does Hamas's policies prove " that the UNHRW is a biased report" ?