Controlled demolition vs. the towers collapsing

[beachnut]

I am aware that it is standard. I just find it interesting that the rebar does not show up in any of the drawings of the floor assemblies when it wouldn't be hard to draw, and that so many talk about the pulverization of the concrete slabs without mentioning that they are reinforced.

Apparently Big Al didn't know the floors were reinforced, either.

What size rebar do you think is in the floors?

 

[ergo]

Dodge much?

Comprehend much?

I don't think you understand what you are saying or what you were supposed to look for. Mark Roberts claimed that the explosion sounds that certain people he quoted heard were in fact the sounds of bodies falling. He did not back up with any information and neither have you.

 

[ergo]

What size rebar do you think is in the floors?

The size we see in the picture above, according to Grizzly Bear.

 

[beachnut]

The size we see in the picture above, according to Grizzly Bear.

No rebar, the bars you see are the supports under the floor, all crushed up. No rebar. Like the bodies sounding like explosions, you can't do research. Why?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I am aware that it is standard. I just find it interesting that the rebar does not show up in any of the drawings of the floor assemblies when it wouldn't be hard to draw, and that so many talk about the pulverization of the concrete slabs without mentioning that they are reinforced.

You would need to locate a detail section of the floor to find specific labeling for the rebar reinforcement. These would be in the original blueprints drawn for the design. I personally have not seen any of the detail sections from the original documents, and I do not personally know if those were ever released. However from the drawings I have seen and having seen diagrams of what the same floor system uses I can positively state with full confidence that they had that. The corrugated metal decking also provides the concrete with additional tensile strength.

 

[femr2]

No rebar, the bars you see are the supports under the floor, all crushed up. No rebar.

That image does seem to show a delineated concrete slab with a rebar. Right at the *front*.

Perhaps there was rebar in the thicker core slabs. Not sure top of head.

 

[beachnut]

That image does seem to show a delineated concrete slab with a rebar. Right at the *front*.

Perhaps there was rebar in the thicker core slabs. Not sure top of head.

The office floors were 4 inches of lightweight concrete, no rebar. The metal you seen in the floors piled up and smashed are the bars from the truss under the floor.

What is your point? There is paper in the crushed floors, no melted steel, only office floors stuck together, the WTC was 95 percent air, the floors would only make a pile 30 to 50 feet high if crushed down.

What is your point?

 

[BigAl]

I am aware that it is standard. I just find it interesting that the rebar does not show up in any of the drawings of the floor assemblies when it wouldn't be hard to draw, and that so many talk about the pulverization of the concrete slabs without mentioning that they are reinforced.

Apparently Big Al didn't know the floors were reinforced, either.

Why should it be a surprise that some concrete somewhere in WTC was reinforced? Maybe it was a mechanical floor.

In any case, the bits that were reinforced were more likely to survive intact, if crushed.

 

[femr2]

The office floors were 4 inches of lightweight concrete, no rebar.

Yes, I'm aware of that Beachnut. 1602 Kg/m³.

The metal you seen in the floors piled up and smashed are the bars from the truss under the floor.

Doesn't look like that to me.

What is your point?

Exactly what I just said. Looks very much like there is rebar within the concrete there. At least two visible. Possibly from the core, or, as suggested by BigAl, a mechanical floor.

 

[ergo]

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No rebar, the bars you see are the supports under the floor, all crushed up. No rebar. Like the bodies sounding like explosions, you can't do research. Why?

Figure 4-23 of NIST NCSTAR 1-6B (p. 34) gives us a more realistic idea of what the trusses looked like.

 

[BigAl]

Figure 4-23 of NIST NCSTAR 1-6B (p. 34) gives us a more realistic idea of what the trusses looked like.

Your point?

 

[femr2]

Yup...

...rebar.

 

[beachnut]

Yup...

...rebar.

WRONG! It is from the truss.

See the truss? You lost this one, so you still have a perfect record of failed claims. How are you able to be given the answer and keep posting lies?

No rebar, just tiles or carpet! Good luck

 

[T.A.M.]

But you've attempted to back Beachnut up by posting this person's website link. Why would this Mark Roberts make such a bold assertion about these testimonies without sourcing it?



No source. Is this how da bunkers circulate their rumours?

where did I say I was backing it up? please, show me.

and after that, go ask Mark where he got the quotes. Not my quotes, not my job.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Where is the office furniture?

are you serious. Don't make me compare you to poor old ANders Lindman...I thought you were at least a little less out there.

Did anyone say that the slab was 4 complete floors? The surface area of the WTCs was 200 feet x 200 feet. Does that look to you like a 200 foot by 200 foot squashed section of the towers? Obviously it was a section of the 4 floors, squashed together (obvious to all but you).

The furniture, if it didn't splat out elsewhere in the pile, is likely compressed inside, like everything else.

Duh

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

The office floors were 4 inches of lightweight concrete, no rebar. The metal you seen in the floors piled up and smashed are the bars from the truss under the floor.

What is your point? There is paper in the crushed floors, no melted steel, only office floors stuck together, the WTC was 95 percent air, the floors would only make a pile 30 to 50 feet high if crushed down.

What is your point?

nice beachnut. I think more of your posts should be like this, a little less on the vitriol.

TAM

 

[beachnut]

nice beachnut. I think more of your posts should be like this, a little less on the vitriol.

TAM

So do i

 

[femr2]

Rebar...

WRONG! It is from the truss.

Still using FEMA diagrams eh. Retro.

And I disagree, for a few reasons...

The grain of the slab is consistent with the highlighted steel being sandwiched in the middle of the slab, and not consistent with the truss arrangement.

The pattern on the steel bar is consistent with rebar, for which, as I am sure you are aware, there is very good reason...

The pattern is also not consistent with the truss material recovered by NIST from GZ...

But, hey, it's a small point.

If you want it to be from the truss Beachnut, you just go right ahead there.

See the truss?

Don't think so.

You lost this one

Grow up.

No rebar, just tiles or carpet! Good luck

Awesome.

Highlighted steel rod is tiles or carpet ? Spot on Beachnut.

 

[beachnut]

Rebar...

Still using FEMA diagrams eh. Retro.

And I disagree, for a few reasons...

The grain of the slab is consistent with the highlighted steel being sandwiched in the middle of the slab, and not consistent with the truss arrangement.

The pattern on the steel bar is consistent with rebar, for which, as I am sure you are aware, there is very good reason...

The pattern is also not consistent with the truss material recovered by NIST from GZ...

But, hey, it's a small point.

If you want it to be from the truss Beachnut, you just go right ahead there.


Don't think so.


Grow up.


Awesome.

Highlighted steel rod is tiles or carpet ? Spot on Beachnut.

The rod is from the truss. Why is the rebar in pairs? lol, see the wire mesh?

The rods are from the truss. Where is the rebar in an office floor?

The grain of the slab is consistent with the highlighted steel being sandwiched in the middle of the slab, and not consistent with the truss arrangement.

There is no rebar in the office floors. Was I wrong? Why not show the floor being built up?

Still using FEMA diagrams eh. Retro.

I got the diagram from an idiot web site, a moron who spews 911 lies, a 911 truth nut case. But the diagram is correct, no rebar in the light weight concrete; just wire mesh and rebar. Sitting on chairs.

Don't you have this one?

They have wire mesh, with rebar. The wire mesh sits on chairs. The rebar, looks like #4 and 5 in your top photo.

Why can't ergo find this? OMG, there is rebar with wire mesh in the floors! Plus more! Too bad this does not make your CD delusions real.

ergo had a chance, but you beat him.
Why did you fail to post the photo of the floor wire mesh and rebar? You debunked me, why can't you debunk your cd delusion?

See how easy it would be to debunk the lies of 911 truth? Research.

Why can't 911 truth do it? You are a debunker; good job. No wonder my patio is cracking! no wire mesh on chairs with rebar! Darn.

I have been debunked, by a truther. My next door neighbor just put in a patio, they spent about a week putting in the wire mesh over gravel, tying the mesh to rebar, etc. Just finished pouring the concrete today/yesterday. You really debunked me good! Thanks. You were suppose to post the build up photo; and get this over earlier.


The wire mesh is the concrete floor reinforcement, the rebar holds the mesh in place with the chair keeping it up. The rebar is what you might call miscellaneous steel. It gets better! But...

 

[Belz...]

And the bodies hitting the ground are sourced, you can't find them due to your poor research skills.

Well, apparently none of us can find this source, beachnut

Probably because of your poor research skills.