Gravity defying buildings? :D

[T.A.M.]

You haven't been keeping up to day here have you? The brilliance is a product of the temperature not the material. That's why it makes it hard to figure out the material. As you guys claimed a while back when I was asked to "identify" molten materials. Remember?

So how do you know it was metal at all then?

TAM

 

[Java Man]

So how do you know it was metal at all then?

TAM

Good question!!

Nevertheless it was at 1800º or above. Which is well above the fire temperatures. Your explanation would be? Nano-glass window bits?

 

[excaza]

Must have been thermite. 9/11 solved thanks to the power of the internet.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Nevertheless it was at 1800º or above.

Fahrenheit or Celcius?

Which is well above the fire temperatures.

What's your source for the fire temperatures? The Cardington fire tests, if I recall correctly, showed gas temperatures in excess of 1000ºC.

Dave

 

[T.A.M.]

Dave,

Farenheit. We are discussing the video of the orangy yellow bits of stuff falling from the wtc prior to collapse. Color temp chart for pure metals puts the temp, if the color in the video is correct, at about 1800F, but java is claiming that the temperature color is the same regardless of the material and regardless of impurities or emissivity (as he has not addressed that yet).

TAM

 

[Sabretooth]

I did and I posted. Now I'm not going to do your work. If you want to debunk it go look for it yourself. So far all you've brought to the table is a bush fire.

Here's another closeup of an aircraft that crashed and burned. This time a Sikorsky S-61N helicopter. Again, you can see the pools of melted aluminum without straining...

 

[T.A.M.]

Yes and that is a much better, higher rez photo then any of the tiny photos java presented.

TAM

 

[Java Man]

Good, now is it aluminium or lead? You know "from the batteries"

 

[Sabretooth]

Good, now is it aluminium or lead? You know "from the batteries"

Is this a real question or are you pretending to be stupid?

 

[Java Man]

Is this a real question or are you pretending to be stupid?

Its a real question.

 

[Sabretooth]

Its a real question.

Unless you can find me an entire helicopter made out of lead batteries, that question is you pretending to be stupid.

 

[Java Man]

, but java is claiming that the temperature color is the same regardless of the material

But that's what you guys started claiming a while back. That it was impossible to determine the type of metal from its brilliance. I mentioned mercury, lead, silver and aluminium as examples of metals which were liquid well before being red. This in turn lead to the creation of the magic crucible. Capable of melting vast quantities of aluminium or lead and retain it in liquid form until it got poured out the window as we see in the videos.

See how you guys are just going in circles without any clear position regarding this.

 

[Java Man]

Unless you can find me an entire helicopter made out of lead batteries, that question is you pretending to be stupid.

Huh? Why do I need an entire helicopter? There are but trace amounts of molten metal there. Lead would also explain its location near the cabin area. Why is that spot only "dripping" molten metal and not the rest? Was the part under the turbines the only one made out of aluminium?

 

[T.A.M.]

But that's what you guys started claiming a while back. That it was impossible to determine the type of metal from its brilliance. I mentioned mercury, lead, silver and aluminium as examples of metals which were liquid well before being red. This in turn lead to the creation of the magic crucible. Capable of melting vast quantities of aluminium or lead and retain it in liquid form until it got poured out the window as we see in the videos.

See how you guys are just going in circles without any clear position regarding this.

All of the materials you mention in the post above are PURE METALS.

TAM

 

[excaza]

It seems like the logical thing for Java to do would be to get access to some structural steel and heat it up.

But let's not kid ourselves.

 

[Java Man]

It seems like the logical thing for Java to do would be to get access to some structural steel and heat it up.

But let's not kid ourselves.

And the structural steel would emit red light waves at a different wavelength than "red" for what reason exactly? So you're telling us that the wavelength of red coming from structural steel is different from the wavelength of red coming from aluminium? Two wavelengths for the same color. Are you redefining the term "color blind"?

 

[Java Man]

All of the materials you mention in the post above are PURE METALS.

TAM

And the wavelength of impure materials is different for what reason?

 

[T.A.M.]

And the wavelength of impure materials is different for what reason?

do impure materials have "wavelengths"?

Do you think that the light (and hence wavelength) given off by molten materials is purely a function of temperature?

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

This is an article on fireworks, and colors. It includes, as we have discussed, the properties of temperature/heat and light, but also goes into a few other things that are applicable here.

http://chemistry.about.com/od/fireworkspyrotechnics/a/fireworkcolors.htm

TAM

 

[Java Man]

do impure materials have "wavelengths"?

Do you think that the light (and hence wavelength) given off by molten materials is purely a function of temperature?

TAM

The color is a function of wavelength and has nothing to do with the underlying material. So I ask you, how can a material that is cooler and thus has less energy emit a higher frequency (lower wavelength) color than one that is hotter and thus has more energy.