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"A person cannot move objects with their mind."

So that statement wouldn't be skepticism/skeptical nor would it be something said by a (genuine) skeptic?
 
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"Dinosaurs are extinct."

"Superman is not a real entity."

"The maximum human lifespan is about 120 years."

"Captain Kirk is a fictional character."

"Bigfoot is not a real non-human animal."

All of these statements are based on the available evidence, which is vast, and/or the non-existence of said evidence.

All can be stated with confidence, and without the qualifier "It is probable that", while fully qualifying as suitably skeptical assertions. They are evidence based assertions.
 
Well, we disagree, sort of. Skepticism is doubting, not denying. There is a significant and important difference.

I believe you can be a Skeptic and know things; however, to be skeptical or use skepticism you must "reserve judgement". When you finalize your "answer", make a fact based statement, conclude something, you have ceased the skeptical argument and you are no longer being skeptical (related to that issue or argument). You can be a skeptical person, you can be a skeptic, but you are no longer skeptical if you conclude or answer the question. I believe a skeptic is someone that does not accept something on it's face. I believe skepticism is this process.

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So,

"Dinosaurs are extinct."

"Superman is not a real entity."

"The maximum human lifespan is about 120 years."

"Captain Kirk is a fictional character."

"Bigfoot is not a real non-human animal."

All of these statements are based on the available evidence, which is vast, and/or the non-existence of said evidence.

All can be stated with confidence, and without the qualifier "It is probable that"; however they do NOT fully qualify as suitably skeptical assertions. They are evidence based assertions. Had you started each with "I do not believe..." I'd agree with you about them being skeptical assertions.
 
"A person cannot move objects with their mind."

So that statement wouldn't be skepticism/skeptical nor would it be something said by a (genuine) skeptic?

No, it would not be skeptical or skepticism; however it could most certainly be said by a genuine skeptic.
 
Okay Ace, thanks for clarifying your position.

From now on, if I don't add the qualifier "the evidence shows that..." (or similar) to statements such as "The Millennium Falcon is a fictional creation", you can call me on how unskeptical I'm being.

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Oh, there's no need to apologize, not in the least. You haven't upset me. I know I can be assertive in my posts, but I'm not angry. I'm sorry you're in pain, and I hope you get well soon. :)


Thank you.

I don't quite know what came over me, i'm not usually argumentative at all (look at my BFF posts for proof of that lol) maybe it was my pain meds.

Anyway thanks and i shall never darken your doorway again lol :D
 
From now on, if I don't add the qualifier "the evidence shows that..." (or similar) to statements such as "The Millennium Falcon is a fictional creation", you can call me on how unskeptical I'm being.

They call me on this all the time over there. I'm a denialist scoftic, and apparently now a pseudoskeptic.

If folks on the BFF expended half the energy they spend trying to define "skeptic" on really addressing the problems with so-called bigfoot evidence . . . oh nevermind.
 
They call me on this all the time over there. I'm a denialist scoftic, and apparently now a pseudoskeptic.

If folks on the BFF expended half the energy they spend trying to define "skeptic" on really addressing the problems with so-called bigfoot evidence . . . oh nevermind.

There isn't a problem with bigfoot evidence. I only realised this when I saw the 'evidence' thread over there, where I learned that a simple reassertion of an unsubstantiated claim in itself acts to substantiate said claim.


"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true."
 
Well...


About Daniel Perez...



Close enough. Anyway, it's obvious that Bigfoot can be almost anything that the believer wants it to be.

But you know how things work over there. Huntster will defend to his dying breath that NO-ONE CLAIMS THERE ARE 125,000 BIGFOOTS. It's all about semantics. To him 100,000 isn't close enough. NO-ONE SAID EXACTLY 125,000!!!!!
Just look at the ridiculous argument going on about Gimlin saying he didn't use the camera at Bluff Creek. That thing is a lesson in Semantics 101. "Well, he didn't actually say........."
 
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Drew on BFF said:
I think most hunter (Bigfoot encounter) reports are a combination of mis-interpretation of sensory inputs and hynagogic hallucinations.

You think that hunter reports have a lower percentage of fabrication than do non-hunter reports?

What about the possibilty of non-hunters submitting a fabricated report that says they are a hunter?
 
You think that hunter reports have a lower percentage of fabrication than do non-hunter reports?

What about the possibilty of non-hunters submitting a fabricated report that says they are a hunter?

I think a higher percentage of Hunter's reports are a misinterpretation of sensory inputs or HH.

They are in conditions conducive such things.

I still think many of those reports have contrivances to make their stories more convincing.

For example, I really think WGBH thought he saw something, I think he added the details later. Those portions were fabricated to fit an explanation he could live with, or impress bigfooters.

This would also apply to campers, staying out all day, hiking around, looking for Bigfoot, people falling asleep in a chair while watching TV, truck drivers on the road late at night. I think a larger percentage of those sightings were based on a sensory flap.

Then there are those who just make up the stories from scratch, these are your bards, if you will, of Bigfoot. The hunters, campers, and others prone to have a misinterpretation will flesh their stories out based on these bard tales.
 
For example, I really think WGBH thought he saw something, I think he added the details later. Those portions were fabricated to fit an explanation he could live with, or impress bigfooters.

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A coward's way of calling me a liar.
 
A coward's way of calling me a liar.
No, I don't consider it lying. You perceived something that scared you, you started researching what it could be, you thought 'yes I think I did see it eating berries', or 'wow, that howl is similar to what the one I thought I saw made' Then when you are recapping the story, you say, 'I saw this beast eating berries, and it let out a call similar to this' You are not lying, you are rationalizing what you saw.
 
Skeptics can choose to believe or choose not to believe. A hardcore skeptic can believe in Bigfoot.


The point is that strange things happen when the designations "skeptic" and "believer" are used in non-conventional ways. What I mean is that in the world of Bigfoot discussion and debate the term "skeptic" is conventionally used for somebody who thinks that Bigfoot does not exist, or that the presented Bigfoot evidence does not support its existence.

I'll give examples of non-conventional uses by creating examples of something somebody might say:

1) Skeptic. "I am a skeptic. I think that Bigfoot exists and that some evidence shows that it does. But I am skeptical of some of the presented evidence for Bigfoot. I certainly do think that Bigfoot exists. I am a skeptic."

2) Believer. "I am a believer. I think that Bigfoot does not exist and that no evidence shows that it does. I certainly do believe that Bigfoot does not exist. I am a believer."
 
... What I mean is that in the world of Bigfoot discussion and debate the term "skeptic" is conventionally conveniently used for somebody who thinks that Bigfoot does not exist, or that the presented Bigfoot evidence does not support its existence..."

-strikethrough, "conveniently", and emphasis added

Skeptic, skepticism, etc are used here in unconventional, but convenient ways, at least in my opinion. I'm not sure if you want to argue or not William Parcher, but for the most part I care very little about the issue. I tend to use the terms Skeptic, skepticism, etc. in a classical (or maybe neo-classical) sense, more related to a "school" of thought. Not everyone does. I also tend to participate in rhetorical or skeptical discussion because I enjoy the argument, regardless of the truth or the subject. I am also a Stoic, in the classic sense. So, I don't tend to get butt-hurt over arguments, although I enjoy heated debate or arguments. So, I don't think you use Skeptic or skepticism correctly but you can use it any way you want. Again, I think skepticism is part of the argument and process of moving toward the truth, but it is not the conclusion. I think it is being used here, and in the realm of bigfoot, more often out of convenience and not conventionally.

Say bigfoot does exist. Say one is found tomorrow. Are any of the current tracks or prints, or tree breaks, or scats, or any other "evidence" bigfoot related? Does any of that evidence support the existence of bigfoot? In my opinion, the evidence doesn't change. It either supports bigfoot's existence or it doesn't. It either supports it yesterday, today and tomorrow, or it doesn't. If bigfoot is found or "proved" to exist the evidence is what it is, and what it always has been. So, the evidence likely does support it's existence, if it exists. Since I haven't made a conclusion I can be skeptical of the evidence, skeptical of the existence. If you've made the conclusion then all of the "evidence" must not support the existence. So, again, if later this afternoon bigfoot walks out of the woods much like Ishi and we are presented with it's existence how do you account for the current body of evidence? I can say I don't believe in bigfoot, and I am skeptical of the evidence. It doesn't mean that bigfoot doesn't exist though, or that none of the evidence supports the existence of bigfoot. The sightings, footprints, trackways, etc. do support the existence of bigfoot (unless they are hoaxes, mis-ids, hallucinations, etc.), but it doesn't mean bigfoot exists. That is why I am skeptical of the evidence or existence of bigfoot.
 
I think it'd be great if the skeptical believers or whatever would chime in to call BS on the obvious BS. Why is it just us "scoftics" smacking down these ridiculous prairie bigfoot claims for example, when we know of other prominent participants who find them just as ridiculous as we do?
 
I think it'd be great if the skeptical believers or whatever would chime in to call BS on the obvious BS. Why is it just us "scoftics" smacking down these ridiculous prairie bigfoot claims for example, when we know of other prominent participants who find them just as ridiculous as we do?


Do you not understand Bigfooter Politics and Bigfootical Correctness?
 
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