NASA Engineer (ret.) is a Twoofie?

[T.A.M.]

My common sense tells me that they didn't need to spend tons of money reconstructing the plane to find out WHY it crashed.

Agreed. The truther mindset, that of a paranoid world view, and looking back, is that everything should have been approached, regardless of all other evidence, with "the usg was involved" philosophy foremost in their minds.

TAM

 

[Miragememories]

"What I proposed was that it was logically impossible for those 5 light poles to have been knocked
down by an aircraft with a flightpath north of the Citgo.

Logically, that means those light poles had to have been "planted" intentionally.

Once we address that point, we can move on to what happened after.

You can't put the "cart before the horse"."

"Since the light poles were knocked down it means the plane didn't go north."

Since you have no proof that the "light poles were knocked down", your statement
is invalid.

MM

 

[BigAl]

Posted, but for the most part ignored.



Thank you Al.

Since the FBI have proven their unreliability, I have little trust in their chain of evidence
statements.

I do not believe in their claimed existence of corroborating DNA evidence or the 140 tons of aircraft wreckage found inside the Pentagon.

MM

Hundreds of random unrelated eyewitnesses saw the plane crash and an estimated 7,000 first-responders and investigators working for different unrelated local, state and federal organizations say you are wrong.

On 9/11 and daily afterwords, the story of the Pentagon investigation was told by hundreds of reporters and published in dozens of independent news outlets, many of them foreign. None of the people involved said that what the press was reporting differed from what they saw. No reporter from any country has come forward.

There is no "Eyewitnesses for Truth" group.

If your theory is true, that the FBI was part of a cover-up, then everyone was told what to say they would all need unique scripts a day in advance and stick to them. They would all agree in advance to participate in the crime of criminal cover-up.

All 7,000 of them.

 

[DGM]

Since you have no proof that the "light poles were knocked down", your statement
is invalid.

MM

Were they not found on the ground?


How many of these witnesses believe the poles were planted?

 

[Disbelief]

Were they not found on the ground?


How many of these witnesses believe the poles were planted?

Also, how were they planted in such a busy area?

 

[T.A.M.]

Since you have no proof that the "light poles were knocked down", your statement
is invalid.

MM

Lol, so you have any non-elaborate explanation for lloyd englands lightpoled car?

This will be good...and repetitive.

TAM

 

[DGM]

Also, how were they planted in such a busy area?

Time machine.


Hey why not? By "truther" law I don't have to prove one exists, you have to show it doesn't!

 

[WildCat]

Here is a good chunk of Flt 800 's 140 tons retrieved from the bottom of long island sound and shown here reconstructed during a NTSB investigation.



Got a picture of any of flt 77 's 140 tons used
to reconstruct a Boeing 757 for an NTSB investigation Al ? No ?

So you think the planes crashed accidentally on 9/11?

 

[Miragememories]

"911 was a crime; aircraft are only put back together to discover what causes accidents in aircraft. On 911 a terrorist pilot flew 77 into the Pentagon. Cause of crash, on purpose, a crime, the FBI does crime. NTSB does not put planes back together when they know the cause is crime, an on purpose thing.

NTSB does not do crime. This is common knowledge to people who understand flying."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Transportation_Safety_Board

"The NTSB is normally the lead organization in the investigation of a transportation accident within its sphere. However, this power can be surrendered to other organizations if the Attorney General declares the case to be linked to an intentional criminal act, although the NTSB would still provide technical support in such investigations. This occurred during the investigation of the September 11, 2001, attacks when the Department of Justice took over the investigation."

MM

 

[BigAl]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Transportation_Safety_Board

"The NTSB is normally the lead organization in the investigation of a transportation accident within its sphere. However, this power can be surrendered to other organizations if the Attorney General declares the case to be linked to an intentional criminal act, although the NTSB would still provide technical support in such investigations. This occurred during the investigation of the September 11, 2001, attacks when the Department of Justice took over the investigation."

MM

Your point?

 

[Miragememories]

Also, how were they planted in such a busy area?

A question that requests speculation is an invitation for mockery.

How do you how busy it was?

MM

 

[Miragememories]

How did someone deposit 140 tons of aircraft debris and all 64 bodies (all last seen only 90 minutes earlier) inside a burning building under the continuous observation of a bunch of random people?

You appear to have forgotten the hijackers?

MM

 

[Disbelief]

A question that requests speculation is an invitation for mockery.

You are speculating that these were planted in the first place, so what's a little more? You have no evidence that they were planted - and no, your NoC "witnesses" are not evidence that these were planted.

How do you how busy it was?

MM

Time of day and day of the week. The number of witnesses, the vast majority that you disregard, who talk about the attack. Let me see if I can find some pictures taken at the time, as I know I have seen some.

 

[BigAl]

You appear to have forgotten the hijackers?

MM

Not according to Wikipedia. 64 people, passengers, crew and hijackers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77

 

[Miragememories]

"You appear to have forgotten the hijackers?"

"Not according to Wikipedia. 64 people, passengers, crew and hijackers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77"

Others disagree Al.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread342278/pg1

"5 bodies were not able to be identified as it was impossible to match what was left with the five missing people. Army Major James Cassella, a Pentagon spokesman stated in November of 2001, that they have exhausted all their scientific leads but were unable to match 5 of the victims.

At the Pentagon, identification efforts ended on Nov 16, 2001; 179 of the 184 victims were identified, plus five profiles that did not match family reference materials, thought, therefore, to be the terrorists. No biological material was recovered for the remaining five people in the building or on the aeroplane."

MM

 

[excaza]

well, that settles it, it was The Man

 

[T.A.M.]

They positively identified some of the hijackers via DNA at the WTC site...so what about those???

wait, let me guess...planted/faked.

TAM

 

[BigAl]

Others disagree Al.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread342278/pg1

"5 bodies were not able to be identified as it was impossible to match what was left with the five missing people. Army Major James Cassella, a Pentagon spokesman stated in November of 2001, that they have exhausted all their scientific leads but were unable to match 5 of the victims.

At the Pentagon, identification efforts ended on Nov 16, 2001; 179 of the 184 victims were identified, plus five profiles that did not match family reference materials, thought, therefore, to be the terrorists. No biological material was recovered for the remaining five people in the building or on the aeroplane."

MM

The 5 are counted as the hijackers plus 53 passengers and 6 crew totals to 64 on-board.

 

[Pinch]

A question that requests speculation is an invitation for mockery.

Point 1) The Truther experience, especially PfT, is nothing *but* speculation. Capt Bobby doesn't have any of the information he needs - Boeing wind tunnel test and 767 flight test data, cockpit door sensor data, AA 11 or UAL 175 black boxes, etc - so he *has* to make things up, which is mere speculation. It is merely one of the things that makes your whole PfT shtick so entertaining.

How do you how busy it was?

I worked a mile and a half away from the building at the time. I know how busy it was/is because I drove around/worked in that area daily - still do, to a large extent. That parking lot that Roosevelt Roberts says a 757 flew "50 to 100 feet" over?...has over 2500 parking places and every one of them would have been filled with people coming and going from meetings and watches and late arrivals and early departures. Of course, since every single Pentagon Employee - except April Gallop and Karen Kwiatkowski - must be in on the deal (guess they don't want to lose that hush-money pay check, even 9 years later) means nobody will come forward and echo Officer Robert's unique perspective of a 757 at "less than 50 to 100 feet" in a bank headed southwest - AWAY from the Pentagon and the river - an absolute absurd claim - but not too absurd for PfT and CIT to bite.

 

[Reheat]

It is ludicrous to continue discussing CIT's total adulterated crap in a serious manner. Their garbage has been PROVEN WRONG in about 6 different ways. Yes, the proper word is proven.

If one doesn't trust Government controlled information then examine the non-Government stuff such as the Tribby video and the Looney photographs, both of which prove CIT's delusions wrong. CIT has even lied by attempting to manipulate the Tribby video and that's available in their archives.

In addition, one of their "witnesses:, Terry Morin, disagrees with the path subscribed by those at the Citgo Station and the ANC group. In the NSA video joke Morin describes a Southerly flight path, but CIT implies ALL of the witnesses agree with the NOC crap. They don't and it's documented in the Clowns' own video.

There is no further legitimate debate at all. Except among the stupidly gullible the charade has been over for at least two years, perhaps even longer.