Invitation to Derek Johnson to discuss his ideas

[tsig]

Some ways are intentionally ambiguous and misleading.




NIST failed to consider that columns could be removed without the use of explosives.

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate.

 

[beachnut]

...
"Wood has more energy than thermite"

This is not true in terms of thermal energy... ?

Sugar beats thermite too.
Plastic beats thermite.
Paper beats thermite
Jet fuel beats thermite.
Wood beats thermite.

This is why we don't use thermite to make chocolate chip cookie or to power our cars.

Thermite can't do 911, you failed before you started.

We don't need to melt steel, we only have to weaken it, and thermite was not there, that is your failed moronic delusion you sell wit lies on slides in your moronic presentation introduce by your mission for god to tell the truth as you present lies. Failure!
No melted steel at the WTC, you tell lies.

 

[Derek Johnson]

Sugar beats thermite too.
Plastic beats thermite.
Paper beats thermite
Jet fuel beats thermite.
Wood beats thermite.

This is why we don't use thermite to make chocolate chip cookie or to power our cars.

Thermite can't do 911, you failed before you started.

None of these melt steel, except for jet fuel. If I'm wrong, please prove it. Jet fuel is amenable to the control volume that would allow the right fuel/air ratio.

Tell me beacnut, how is the question ducking answering coming along with posts #1659, #1475 and #1400.

Any progress yet? Need help?

 

[excaza]

Steel wasn't melted on 9/11, so why is it even being discussed?

 

[tsig]

I can't help wondering how many qualified members I would get if I set up an organisation called "Electricians for Ohm's Law"?

Join the Resistance.

 

[Derek Johnson]

Steel wasn't melted on 9/11, so why is it even being discussed?

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

"Figure C-8 Qualitative chemical analysis.

Summary for Sample 1

The thinning of the steel occurred by a high-temperture corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.

Heating of the steel into a hot corrosive environment approaching 1,000 °C (1,800 °F) results in the formation of a eutectic mixture of iron, oxygen, and sulfur that liquefied the steel."

Liquified the steel excaza? Your theory of the true meaning of this please?

Steel wasn't melted on 9/11, so why is it even being discussed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU&feature=player_embedded

What did these firefighters really mean? Are they just making stuff up? Your theory of the true meaning of their statements please?

 

[beachnut]

when will Derek address his lies in his presentation?

... And this undereducated laborer somehow managed his way through a BS in Mech Engineering, somehow. This same undereducated punk melts scrap steel in a half zero size (9 inches diameter) cupola furnace for parts. This undereducated punk has also asked easy questions ...

Derek, you tell lies, you can't discuss them, you have a delusion of CD powered by thermite. Thermite reaction that last seconds, is your lie about why the fires burned in the pile of over 250 acres of office space. A big lie.

When will you address your lies in your presentations? When?

You lie and have to call other people undereducated punks as you fail to fill out the equations you say support your failed theories of thermite? wow

Where is your evidence of melted steel; photos? Piles of iron from thermite? Does everyone understand thermite leaves a pile of iron which would have fused itself to the steel in the WTC? EVIDENCE NOT FOUND, not seen ever at the WTC!

 

[aggle-rithm]

USGS aerial photos on 9-16-01 indicating 1340 deg F (712 deg C) is mighty, mighty strange. This makes me skeptical. Fire needs air and fuel, and sustainable, perpetual fire that goes on for 5 days under rubble needs both to, well, sustain. You and I are both trained in fire, how did it breath? We are trained to cover fire to put them out. These fires were covered. 1340 F is hot.

You haven't even come up with a plausible explanation as to how the temperatures that USGS are possible. How is this possible? This isn't a wacky theory, it's just a simple question.

Congratulations! You are now sharing ideas of your own, instead of asking questions. Bravo!

Of course, the ideas are stupid, but you have to walk before you can run.

 

[tsig]

Fire needs oxygen, from air.

Where is the air when a 40 foot pile of rubble is squishing the fuel (diesel from the generator tanks would be the dominant fuel...I'd surmise, then we have computers, carpet, books, clothes, coffee cups, pencils, paper, potted plants, tissue, plastics and any other combustible material inside the building)...all of which needed lots and lots of air to sustain conventional incineration. How did this fire get fed the air needed to sustain a 5 days incineration. Why on earth did the firefighters say that there were "oven" like conditions at the trade centers six weeks after 9/11. And guessed that it was 1500 degrees. He pointed out “bright bright reddish orange” steel six weeks later (as shown in the video below at about 2:50).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU&feature=player_embedded


If a 40 ft pile of rubble is all of what's left of a 610 foot building, it's going to starve air in less than 5 days. Much less. Wrong? If so, how I am wrong?

How did firefighters say "beams were being pulled up and burst into flames...kind of spooky." What flames? How is that even possible?

Also, if the rubble height is 40 ft, as indicated by aftermath photos, you have roughly .85-.9 ft per floor. Since the concrete decks are 5.5" thick alone, and some some thicker, that is a tight fit for the rest of the 25,700 tons of structural steel and the remainder of the building contents. Wrong?

Again, how did the fire stay get fed and stay fed with air with a compacted rubble heap such as this? Was their forced convection from below? If so, tell me more about this...

Ok how did the fire get fed? You ask questions but you are providing no answers. Thermite? Burns out in seconds.

 

[Derek Johnson]

Sorry I didn't hear your answer beacnut, how is the question ducking answering coming along with posts #1659,#1475 and #1400? How? You can't seem to answer questions, why not? As I've stated previously, I corrected the Robertson quote that you base you "Derek is a liar! charge" last spring:

"Richard Garlock, a structural engineer at Leslie E. Robertson Associates, an engineering firm involved in the design of the towers and the clean up of the site, who said "Here WTC 6 is over my head. The debris past the columns was red-hot, molten, running."

http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds/engineering/engineering_debris_06.html

Again, what is holding you back from tearing into posts #1659, #1475 and #1400 and knocking those down like the duck shoot at the fair? Your lack of typing is deafening to all save you and me.

Also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU&feature=player_embedded

Please explain line by line the statements in the video above. Surely a fire-breathing twoof-slayer like you has a very good theory for each of these statements, and your theories would be most helpful for the 3rd parties readers who may be enjoying reading this thread as much as I am baiting you to duck answer my questions (#1659, #1400, #1475)

 

[aggle-rithm]

What did these firefighters really mean? Are they just making stuff up? Your theory of the true meaning of their statements please?

It's possible that they were not metallurgists as well as firefighters.

 

[beachnut]

None of these melt steel, except for jet fuel. If I'm wrong, please prove it. Jet fuel is amenable to the control volume that would allow the right fuel/air ratio.

Tell me beacnut, how is the question ducking answering coming along with posts #1659, #1475 and #1400.

Any progress yet? Need help?

No melted steel at the WTC, zero piles of melted steel; and wood beats thermite, paper beats thermite, jet fuel beats thermite by a factor of 10, and so does plastic. Looks like your picked the insanity of Jones for your failed lie of thermite.

All the readers know you have no evidence, and can't fill out the equations, or answer the questions you said you have the answer for. Why cna't you post your answers? Got some numbers yet.

Any progress answering why you have lies in your presentations? Need help? Why do you lie in your presentation? Can you explain it?

No steel melted; why talk about your lie of melted steel? How is your answers to my exposing your lies, the lies you have in your presentation?


This is funny stuff!!!

USGS aerial photos on 9-16-01 indicating 1340 deg F (712 deg C) is mighty, mighty strange. This makes me skeptical. Fire needs air and fuel, and sustainable, perpetual fire that goes on for 5 days under rubble needs both to, well, sustain. You and I are both trained in fire, how did it breath? We are trained to cover fire to put them out. These fires were covered. 1340 F is hot.

My wood fire with air reaches 1500 and higher! You have no clue what fire is, you really need to pray more, god is letting you down! Are you really this challenged in research.. Why do you post ideas which you have no clue why you are wrong.

What is strange you have no clue how hot fires, office fires can get with restricted airflow. No clue;

When will you discuss your lies in your presentations? BTW, melted steel is a lie. Zero piles of melted steel found, and no piles of iron from thermite were found.

 

[Derek Johnson]

Ok how did the fire get fed? You ask questions but you are providing no answers. Thermite? Burns out in seconds.

That deserves an award. Maybe you could elaborate just a bit? Or maybe offer how conventional incineration could last for 5 days (or until mid December according to some first responders and/or firefighters) rendering WTC 7 site surface USGS temps of 1340 deg F on 9-16-01? How did the air get to the fuel? From forced convection from underneath? What's your "theory" on that?

*tosses tsig a walking cane, top hat, tap shoes and a video of Sammy Davis Jr *

 

[triforcharity]

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

"Figure C-8 Qualitative chemical analysis.

Summary for Sample 1

The thinning of the steel occurred by a high-temperture corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.

Heating of the steel into a hot corrosive environment approaching 1,000 °C (1,800 °F) results in the formation of a eutectic mixture of iron, oxygen, and sulfur that liquefied the steel."

Liquified the steel excaza? Your theory of the true meaning of this please?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU&feature=player_embedded

What did these firefighters really mean? Are they just making stuff up? Your theory of the true meaning of their statements please?

First off, this is self-debunking, as it says right there in your own quote the reason for the steel erosion. I have taken the liberty of hiliting it for you.

As far as the YouTube video goes, as someone has already pointed out, the firefighters are NOT metalurgists.

Can you identify a molten material based on sight alone? No, of course you cannot. Neither can firefighters.

Go back to failing with AE911T, as that is what you do best.

BTW, how is that paper going? Plan on submitting it to a RESPECTABLE journal?

 

[excaza]

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

"Figure C-8 Qualitative chemical analysis.

Summary for Sample 1

The thinning of the steel occurred by a high-temperture corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.

Heating of the steel into a hot corrosive environment approaching 1,000 °C (1,800 °F) results in the formation of a eutectic mixture of iron, oxygen, and sulfur that liquefied the steel."
Liquified the steel excaza? Your theory of the true meaning of this please?

fwoosh

 

[beachnut]

...

"Wood has more energy than thermite"

... ?

TRUE!

...

Don't let facts disturb your 19 hijacker fantasy though. And don't let your 19 hijacker fantasy disturb your mission of answering #1659 and knocking down #1400 and #1475. You will answer these questions some day, correct?

You already have the answers, or were you telling lies? You can't answer why you lie in your presentation?.
The terrorists you apologize for think you are spewing lies too.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7361414.stm
Oops, the terrorists did 911, 19, have evidence they did it, and you have zero evidence for thermite. OOPS, god let you down again. He answers my prayers, why are you not rewarded? I prayed you would post nonsense about fire and expose your ignorance and god rewarded me when you posted your fire nonsense.

 

[Derek Johnson]

No melted steel at the WTC, zero piles of melted steel; and wood beats thermite, paper beats thermite, jet fuel beats thermite by a factor of 10, and so does plastic. Looks like your picked the insanity of Jones for your failed lie of thermite.

No melted steel at the WTC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU&feature=player_embedded

Please explain line by line the statements in the video above. Surely a fire-breathing twoof-slayer like you has a very good theory for each of these statements, and your theories would be most helpful for the 3rd parties readers who may be enjoying reading this thread as much as I am baiting you to duck answer my questions (#1659, #1400, #1475)

All the readers know you have no evidence, and can't fill out the equations, or answer the questions you said you have the answer for. Why cna't you post your answers? Got some numbers yet.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

"Figure C-8 Qualitative chemical analysis.

Summary for Sample 1

The thinning of the steel occurred by a high-temperture corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.

Heating of the steel into a hot corrosive environment approaching 1,000 °C (1,800 °F) results in the formation of a eutectic mixture of iron, oxygen, and sulfur that liquefied the steel."

"Liquified the steel" beachnut? Your theory of the true meaning of this please? What did they really mean? Surely a fire-breathing twoof-slayer like you has a very good theory for this, and your theories would be most helpful for the 3rd parties readers who may be enjoying reading this thread as much as I am baiting you to duck answer my questions (#1659, #1400, #1475)

My wood fire with air reaches 1500 and higher!

My cupola (petro coke forced convection fire) reaches 3200 F at the center of the blast area, and higher if I inject oxygen. Thermite can reach higher temperatures than this, right or wrong?

What is strange you have no clue how hot fires, office fires can get with restricted airflow. No clue;

Ok, then, tell me how the surface temp of WTC 7 was measured at 1340 deg F on 9-16-01. This temperature was read at the top of the 40 ft pile of WTC 7 rubble, right or wrong. That's the same surface that wind is blowing over for 5 days, right or wrong? It also rained between 9-11 and 9-16, right or wrong? And you will answer #1659, #1400, #1475, right or wrong?

When will you discuss your lies in your presentations? BTW, melted steel is a lie. Zero piles of melted steel found,

I am the one who is lying here? Let others decide that on beachnut.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU&feature=player_embedded

Again, Please explain line by line the statements in the video above.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

Again, please explain your "liquified the steel really means something else" theory to me beachnut? Your theory of the true meaning of this is what, exactly?

 

[excaza]

Derek, as the mighty OCT-slaying super-engineer, do you understand the meaning of eutectic?

 

[Derek Johnson]

fwoosh

ASTM A36 and A572 (the majority of WTC 7) melts at 2750 deg F...wrong?

 

[Reactor drone]

Also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU&feature=player_embedded

Please explain line by line the statements in the video above. Surely a fire-breathing twoof-slayer like you has a very good theory for each of these statements, and your theories would be most helpful for the 3rd parties readers who may be enjoying reading this thread as much as I am baiting you to duck answer my questions (#1659, #1400, #1475)

Derek, could you please explain the eyewitness reports of molten lava and the fires of hell in that video. Were volcanos and/or demonic forces really at work in the pile? Is this a plausible explanation for the high temperatures?