Why do you still believe that a collapse due to fire wouldn't be possible?

[Carlos]

Truthers,

Consider these two statements:

A - Fire can bring down steel structures buildings like Twin Towers.

B - The Twin Towers collapse was a controlled demolition.

It is quite possible to believe that both statements are true. If you believe that "B" is true you don't need to believe "A" is false.

In other words, if you believe there is sufficient evidence that explosives were used in the towers, it does not mean that you have to believe that the collapse due to fire would be impossible.

So what are the arguments that support the claim that fire can not bring down buildings?

Before answering, let me remind you some facts:

1 - Steel does lose strength at high temperatures.

2 - The fire protection were removed from the truss on the floors where the impact occurred.

3 - It is not necessary to remove all fire protection to make the structure susceptible to fire.

4 - The failure of a structural element can cause the failure of others.

5 - Progressive collapse does exist.

This thread is not about evidence of controlled demolition nor NIST findings. It's about arguments that support the claim the towers (WTC 1 and 2) couldn't have collapsed due to fire.

 

[ozeco41]

Truthers,...
...This thread is not about evidence of controlled demolition nor NIST findings. It's about arguments that support the claim the towers (WTC 1 and 2) couldn't have collapsed due to fire.

The apparent problem is in definition of the premises then the logic structure...

...but I'm not a truther so I wouldn't know, would I.

 

[Bell]

Just to remind the truthers what the fires looked like.

 

[Edx]

Just to remind the truthers what the fires looked like.

All they see is thick black smoke... so a cool fire.... and only a small amount of flames, so not a bad fire.

 

[njslim]

University of Delft - School of Architecture May 2008

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ff1_1210707903


Building collapse do to fire ......

Truthers always find some way to dismiss this

 

[Patriots4Truth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwPD0HF3GPM

You really want to cite The Faculty of Architecture at the Delft University of Technology?

While we're at it, let's eliminate some other buildings that debunkers cite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3RnkVzVmQA

 

[beachnut]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwPD0HF3GPM

You really want to cite The Faculty of Architecture at the Delft University of Technology?

While we're at it, let's eliminate some other buildings that debunkers cite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3RnkVzVmQA

9 years of failure and you think steel can't fail. WTC5 has failure due to fire. Your failure is due to what problem? Lack of knowledge? Being gullible? Got some evidence?

Fire caused the collapse of WTC 1, 2 and 7. Your idiotic thermite lie was made up by an insane professor, he is nuts.

 

[Carlos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwPD0HF3GPM

You really want to cite The Faculty of Architecture at the Delft University of Technology?

What's your point?
Do you agree that fire caused the failure and collapse of part of steel structure?

 

[Patriots4Truth]

9 years of failure and you think steel can't fail. WTC5 has failure due to fire. Your failure is due to what problem? Lack of knowledge? Being gullible? Got some evidence?

Fire caused the collapse of WTC 1, 2 and 7. Your idiotic thermite lie was made up by an insane professor, he is nuts.

haha . What a fiesty reply! 9 years of obsessed debunkers...

Hardcore debunkers like you should get the phrase "got some evidence" tattooed on your knee since it's the typical jerk reply to anything truthers say

In my case you are asking for evidence of thermite when it hasn't even been mentioned in this thread

 

[Patriots4Truth]

 

[T.A.M.]

haha . What a fiesty reply! 9 years of obsessed debunkers...

Hardcore debunkers like you should get the phrase "got some evidence" tattooed on your knee since it's the typical jerk reply to anything truthers say

In my case you are asking for evidence of thermite when it hasn't even been mentioned in this thread

How do you know beachnut is a hardcore debunker. Isn't this only week 2 or 3 for you?

Stinky socks, stinky socks!!!!

TAM

 

[Patriots4Truth]

What's your point?
Do you agree that fire caused the failure and collapse of part of steel structure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-X1C2kYtME

"That doesn't look like fire collapsing the building...I swear they're cranes and a wrecking ball. Not to much visible steel in this building, yet it still didn't have a global collapse after burning for 7 hours."

 

[Patriots4Truth]

How do you know beachnut is a hardcore debunker. Isn't this only week 2 or 3 for you?

Stinky socks, stinky socks!!!!

TAM

As much as you like to try to pin me down as someone who isn't new to the 9/11 truth&conspiracy scene I can't help but admire how you've taken such an interest in me.

I've seen some of beachnut's old posts when I've used the search function - you know, the function that searches old posts.

 

[Carlos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-X1C2kYtME

"That doesn't look like fire collapsing the building...I swear they're cranes and a wrecking ball. Not to much visible steel in this building, yet it still didn't have a global collapse after burning for 7 hours."

What about the answer of my question:

"Do you agree that fire caused the failure and collapse of part of steel structure?"

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ff1_1210707903

 

[T.A.M.]

As much as you like to try to pin me down as someone who isn't new to the 9/11 truth&conspiracy scene I can't help but admire how you've taken such an interest in me.

I've seen some of beachnut's old posts when I've used the search function - you know, the function that searches old posts.

sure, what ever. Like all socks, you will eventually expose yourself...until then, I will wait and watch.

You think we haven't seen such before?

TAM

 

[beachnut]

All your evidence in one post. You got the same evidence as all 911 truth who push moronic lies and delusions.

Have you gone to the FBI with your evidence, a laughing dog of moronic failed lies? no

You can't grasp fire destroys the strength of steel due to ignorance. Fire destroyed WTC 5 and 6 too. Fire destroyed many buildings, and you can't grasp reality. One Meridian Plaza, high rise totaled by fire, not there any more. Windsor building in Spain, destroyed by fire, no longer there. WTC 5 destroyed by fire. Gee, the list is in the thousands of structures destroyed, totaled by fire. And all you have is all your evidence for your moronic lies in one laughing dog.

How long have you had delusions on 911? You have the insanity of thermite and micro spheres but no evidence. Are you with Jones, who made up thermite as the method to destroy the WTC, on his earthquake caused by the United States in Haiti? He is insane. Thermite has less heat than paper, 10 times less heat than plastic burning, 10 times less heat than jet fuel burring, and less heat than office fires burning. You have the moronic thermite lie and can't figure out why you have failed.


Evidence?
Oh? Why do you need evidence? Why indeed? For the idiotic 911 claims you make, you will ever have evidence. Relax and spew your nonsense, make fun of people who ask you for evidence, it is only a skeptic forum. You make wild insane claims, why should you bother wasting time researching to find you are not only clueless, but evidence free?

 

[grandmastershek]

haha . What a fiesty reply! 9 years of obsessed debunkers...

Hardcore debunkers like you should get the phrase "got some evidence" tattooed on your knee since it's the typical jerk reply to anything truthers say

In my case you are asking for evidence of thermite when it hasn't even been mentioned in this thread

And the typical truther reaction to a request for evidence is a dodge....thanks for the example.

For the OP, truthers live and die by black and white thinking.

 

[Patriots4Truth]

All your evidence in one post. You got the same evidence as all 911 truth who push moronic lies and delusions.

Have you gone to the FBI with your evidence, a laughing dog of moronic failed lies? no

You can't grasp fire destroys the strength of steel due to ignorance. Fire destroyed WTC 5 and 6 too. Fire destroyed many buildings, and you can't grasp reality. One Meridian Plaza, high rise totaled by fire, not there any more. Windsor building in Spain, destroyed by fire, no longer there. WTC 5 destroyed by fire. Gee, the list is in the thousands of structures destroyed, totaled by fire. And all you have is all your evidence for your moronic lies in one laughing dog.

How long have you had delusions on 911? You have the insanity of thermite and micro spheres but no evidence. Are you with Jones, who made up thermite as the method to destroy the WTC, on his earthquake caused by the United States in Haiti? He is insane. Thermite has less heat than paper, 10 times less heat than plastic burning, 10 times less heat than jet fuel burring, and less heat than office fires burning. You have the moronic thermite lie and can't figure out why you have failed.


Evidence?
Oh? Why do you need evidence? Why indeed? For the idiotic 911 claims you make , you will ever have evidence. Relax and spew your nonsense, make fun of people who ask you for evidence, it is only a skeptic forum. You make wild insane claims, why should you bother wasting time researching to find you are not only clueless, but evidence free?

You are even feistier now. I thought the blue pill was a chill pill

1) One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors and causing an estimated $100 million in direct property loss. It was later described by Philadelphia officials as "the most significant fire in this century".

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[Patriots4Truth]

What's your point?
Do you agree that fire caused the failure and collapse of part of steel structure?

yes it caused a part of the building to collapse.

5.) The TU Delft building reportedly started burning around 9.30 in the morning. Around 13.30 an explosion was reported - it still took to 16.30 for only part of the building to collapse.
[ sources: www.soggen.nl..., www.nu.nl... and nos.nl... ]

 

[Sivan Kurzberg]

1 - Steel does lose strength at high temperatures.

Where was it ever claimed otherwise? You need to prove those temperatures though.

2 - The fire protection were removed from the truss on the floors where the impact occurred.

This is speculation that's never proven. Exactly how much was removed and exactly how? Exactly how much was needed to remain to keep the building up longer than an hour or until it was completely evacuated?

3 - It is not necessary to remove all fire protection to make the structure susceptible to fire.

See number 2

4 - The failure of a structural element can cause the failure of others.

Sure, but will it bring on sudden rapid global collapse of the entire structure?

5 - Progressive collapse does exist.

Sure. But not sudden rapid global collapse complete in a matter of seconds like what was witnessed three times on 9/11.

This thread is not about evidence of controlled demolition nor NIST findings. It's about arguments that support the claim the towers (WTC 1 and 2) couldn't have collapsed due to fire.

It's still unprecedented and unproven. This is the problem.