Invitation for Java Man to discuss his 9/11 theory

triforcharity said:
Really? That is great!! Here is a cool challenge for you!

Identify the materials in the photos.

Care to take a stab?
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Sure, right after you figure these out (don't cheat by looking at their names):

http://www.patrickmavros.com/silver2.jpg

https://sci10bestq3bm.wikispaces.com/file/view/Mercury.png/62357724/Mercury.png

http://www.pawprintreflections.com/images/molten-glass.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general86/hermate10.JPG

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Oystein said:
You are off-topic.

This thread is (as the title tells you) about Java Man's ideas.
Specifically his complete and most solid theory.
Which we have yet to read.
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JavaMan was going on about molten steel
I'm just giving some documented sources that do prove molten steel. Still on topic

World Trade Center Dust Microspheres
World Trade Center 7 Steel Samples Show Severe Damage Due To A High Temperature Corrosion Attack Which Melted The Steel
World Trade Center Tower Steel Sample Shows Severe Damage Due To A High Temperature Corrosion Attack Which Melted The Steel
 
Patriots4Truth said:
JavaMan was going on about molten steel
I'm just giving some documented sources that do prove molten steel. Still on topic

World Trade Center Dust Microspheres
World Trade Center 7 Steel Samples Show Severe Damage Due To A High Temperature Corrosion Attack Which Melted The Steel
World Trade Center Tower Steel Sample Shows Severe Damage Due To A High Temperature Corrosion Attack Which Melted The Steel
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No your not. Blacksmiths 100 years ago knew what you seem to have missed (that's a hint BTW).
 
Patriots4Truth said:
JavaMan was going on about molten steel
I'm just giving some documented sources that do prove molten steel. Still on topic...
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Java Man asked quite a while ago if we would allow him to post his complete theory.

I assume the complete is not "there was molten metal".

So please: Let's cut the distraction, the details. Let's assume there was molten metal.
And let's hear Java Man's most solid and complete theory, ok?

Cause ya know, I am beginning to suspect that Java Man simply doesn't have any theory at all.
 
Java Man said:
Please indicate source and concentrations. Please also explain the availability of oxygen under the pile.
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I am not doing your homework for you. The WTCs were full of gypsum wallboard. They were full of many other things that no doubt contained sulfur.

As for oxygen, do you think things were HERMETICALLY SEALED under the top layer in the pile? There were lots of little gaps, and formed hollow pockets under the rubble...ask the survivors pulled from the wreckage....They lasted way down under debris for hours on end.

TAM:)
 
Java Man said:
Actually it does.
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No it does not. If metal X, lets say, melts at 900F but does not turn into a gas until 3300F, what will be the temperature of the metal when it is orange? I guarantee not 900F.

TAM:)
 
Oystein said:
Cause ya know, I am beginning to suspect that Java Man simply doesn't have any theory at all.
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bullseye.jpg
 
Java Man said:
Yes quite possibly. Read here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6370548&postcount=182

And take a look at the images.
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You don't see anything melted in those pictures?

The fires in those pictures have also been extinguished or suppressed which wasn't the case in the towers.

Care to comment on this:

http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/03/impact-so-fierce-it-melted-aircraft.html

Actually don't bother, I'll concede that the majority of the plane might have been oxidized. let's get back to the OP and your theory, shall we?
 
I find it puzzling that the questions in my OP don't seem to have been specific enough
 
Java Man said:
You're just trying to disguise a simple statement in a FAQ as a complete report it is not. You're also trying to raise an issue regarding the "presence" of time values to counter my claims and also a smoke screen to draw attention from the fact that the report does not address the collapse.

The presence of such values in a FAQ does not make a report complete. You can dress it up all you want, but it remains lacking.
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So every single word must be right for the conclusion to be right?
 
Can we all stop going off topic? Please if Java Man doesn't answer a post with more than 5 pages of his work, please do not engage in anything that he posts (questions) unless the post answers this request below.

Oystein said:
Just post your theory, please. The complete theory. Your most solid theory.
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Arus808 said:
Can we all stop going off topic? Please if Java Man doesn't answer a post with more than 5 pages of his work, please do not engage in anything that he posts (questions) unless the post answers this request below.
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I second that.Let's all just sit back and wait for Java Man to post his complete and detailed theory regarding the events that took place 911.No more derails.
 
Java Man said:
Do you have something that doesn't cost 40 bucks a pop? Something you know open to the general public? Like the FEMA reports.
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Why? Are you too scared to put your money where your mouth is? $40 is lunch money.


Now, about that theory that you have..........

You can put it in your native language, or any other language you prefer. We'll wait........
 
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T.A.M. said:
No it does not. If metal X, lets say, melts at 900F but does not turn into a gas until 3300F, what will be the temperature of the metal when it is orange? I guarantee not 900F.

TAM:)
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Yes, but you can still see what type of metal it is by the color. For example I showed aluminium and silver. I also showed molten glass, which isn't a metal (that was bright white). Both aluminium and silver were not red, but silvery when molten. So is lead (http://tommcmahon.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/16/cast2.jpg)when melted.

It was claimed here (not sure it was this thread though) that the pouring red hot stuff was "aluminium alloy". But molten aluminium is not red when molten and burned aircrafts burn up rather than melt. Lead from "the UPSs" also melts into a silvery liquid and is not red. What then is that red incandescent stuff seen pouring from the building?
 
triforcharity said:
Why? Are you too scared to put your money where your mouth is? $40 is lunch money.


Now, about that theory that you have..........

You can put it in your native language, or any other language you prefer. We'll wait........
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It's more than just th 40 bucks. It's the availability of such information for the general public. If this is such a common thing and could happen to any other building (you know gypsum being so common and all) why isn't it addressed in the NIST report? Why isn't it addressed in the construction plans of the WTC itself. You're portraying this as if both towers were two giant thermite matches just waiting to go off.
 
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