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Bigfoot and the Trolls

William Parcher

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Bigfoot and the Trolls

How a bookseller in Willow Creek caused the biggest Bigfoot forum on the web to be shut down. Or did he?


Steven Streufert, owner of Bigfoot Books in Willow Creek, stared at his computer screen. He had posed what he thought was a fun, discussion-provoking question — "What Constitutes a BIGFOOT-SASQUATCH ENCOUNTER?" — on his own blog, "Bigfoot's bLOG," and then posted it as a new thread on the Bigfoot Forums website with a link to his blog post, and signed it as always "Bigfoot Bookman." But now, at 11:56 p.m., he gets this non sequitur, this provocation about his stance — revealed in earlier discussions here on the BFF — on a subject completely unrelated to his new post.

On May 29 at 12:10 a.m. Streufert posted a cryptic warning on his blog and, as he always did, posted notice of it on the BFF: "When looking for Bigfoot, watch out for TROLLS."

*#%@, meet fan. And he was temporarily suspended.
 

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He seems to be a little whiner, and sounds a bit like someone who posts here. Or used to post here.
 
Made it to page 2. What the hell is that all about? Is this honestly a news story about people sissy-fighting on the internet?
 
Not to rain on your parade Sledge, but I'm a little confused by your seeming 'indignation' (incredulity?) that happenings on the Internet could be 'news-worthy', especially given that you've got (at least) 3,300+ posts yourself in at least one place on <gasp> that same Internet. Is that kinda like the fat girl/moped axiom? Apparently your own personal 'fascination' with it is righteous, but everyone else's is just a waste?
 
Not to rain on your parade Sledge, but I'm a little confused by your seeming 'indignation' (incredulity?) that happenings on the Internet could be 'news-worthy', especially given that you've got (at least) 3,300+ posts yourself in at least one place on <gasp> that same Internet. Is that kinda like the fat girl/moped axiom? Apparently your own personal 'fascination' with it is righteous, but everyone else's is just a waste?
I had something much longer typed out, but I'm just going to roll with: please explain what is newsworthy in this story.
 
I had something much longer typed out, but I'm just going to roll with: please explain what is newsworthy in this story.

Bigfoot is a bigdeal in Humboldt county CA. At least bigger than in most places.


Also, The North Coast Journal Weekly of Politics, People & Art seems to focus mainly on the people & art.
 
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I had something much longer typed out, but I'm just going to roll with: please explain what is newsworthy in this story.

In part this:

"...Gone, eight years of wide-ranging Bigfoot discussion. More than half a million archived posts, vanished. Twelve thousand-plus members, stranded. “The Web’s most popular one-stop shop for Sasquatch talk,” as the BFF’s logo proclaimed, was dead..."

And all of that contained in barely one paragraph, and on the second page. I'm not necessarily saying you need to think it news-worthy, but just about anyone who follows Bigfoot with any regularity is aware of it and would think it at least possibly so. I find the 'hourly updates' of Paris Hilton's exploits beyond un-news-worthy, yet I'm inevitably bombarded by them anyway. Bigfoot is at least as 'important' as Paris Hilton isn't it? No? ;)
 
In part this:

"...Gone, eight years of wide-ranging Bigfoot discussion. More than half a million archived posts, vanished. Twelve thousand-plus members, stranded. “The Web’s most popular one-stop shop for Sasquatch talk,” as the BFF’s logo proclaimed, was dead..."

And all of that contained in barely one paragraph, and on the second page. I'm not necessarily saying you need to think it news-worthy, but just about anyone who follows Bigfoot with any regularity is aware of it and would think it at least possibly so. I find the 'hourly updates' of Paris Hilton's exploits beyond un-news-worthy, yet I'm inevitably bombarded by them anyway. Bigfoot is at least as 'important' as Paris Hilton isn't it? No? ;)

[nonsense variable X] is newsworthy because [nonsense variable Y] is not...

Great argument...

There remains the unfortunate fact that Paris can be proven to exist and Bigfoot is a silly little sham.
 
I find the 'hourly updates' of Paris Hilton's exploits beyond un-news-worthy, yet I'm inevitably bombarded by them anyway. Bigfoot is at least as 'important' as Paris Hilton isn't it? No? ;)

It's not about Bigfoot though. It's about the internecine squabbles of Bigfooters on the internet. Don't liken it to reporting Paris Hilton's movements, liken it to a paper printing 2 pages about what "ParisLover22" said to "ParisIsASlapper" on the "ILoveParis" forum, and you'll be in the right ballpark.

If it was even about a fight at and the implosion of a Bigfoot conference, I'd be less surprised to see it there. But that much of an article dedicated to an internet forum squabble about anything, let alone Bigfoot, is patently absurd.
 
So, while I'm out searching for Bigfoot, I have to be mindful of trolls?!

I guess where I am will depend on what type of troll I find; mountain troll, forest troll, garden gnome...etc...

Maybe I can snap a fuzzy picture of a troll!
 
It's always nice to return to a thread and find other people have said what you would have in your absence. Sean, Beaver: muchas gracias.
*tips hat*
 
If you look at the comment section you see that Bigfooter Steve tries to justify the importance in more global terms...

This is a "relevant thing in our community," as it involves a local person (me), running a local business, blogging on decidedly local topics (Bigfoot history in Willow Creek, Bluff Creek and the larger issues of the field), who encountered suppression of free expression on an internet site that is as much here as it is anywhere else in the world. Repression or dictatorial distortion of discourse is pertinent to us here in Humboldt County, whether it comes down from the legislatures in Sacramento or Washington, DC, or our own local government, or merely from our neighbors in the community. The struggle for truth and an ethical society matters, whether it is conducted on fiber optics or microwaves, or on a public bus or lunch counter, or the town square.

You begin to see his thinking and maybe why he chose to use so many swastikas in his blog. But equating a Bigfoot forum moderator with a Nazi is absurd. But then again believing that Bigfoot exists in the first place is absurd too. So yeah, Bigfooters are pretty much nutso and this is just more of the same.
 
I couldn't be bothered to read past page 2, would someone be kind enough to explain what the ranting is all about and why it's being brought up now?

Thanks.
 
This guy wants to be someone important. He didn't get enough attention as a child, I suspect. He had been warned before on the BFF and he didn't listen, so got the boot. His screaming holy murder made very little difference, the BFF was on its last legs anyway. He just wants to feel like he's powerful. The shrinks have a name for that. Delusional.
 
[nonsense variable X] is newsworthy because [nonsense variable Y] is not...

Great argument...

There remains the unfortunate fact that Paris can be proven to exist and Bigfoot is a silly little sham.
It's almost as if you believe that since you're on the JREF, any critique you make, no matter how inane, is 'valid' simply because you're making it on the JREF. If it helps, you're far from the only shill on the JREF that thinks that. We'll call it JREFitis™.

Anyway, my 'great argument' wasn't anything to do with so-called 'nonsense variables'. In REALITY, what I pointed out was the gist of the article was about the demise of the BFF (and the why that may have been so). I used the Paris Hilton digression as a simple comparison of the 'subjective' nature of 'news'. Not sure why that was so hard to 'get'. Perhaps the JREFitis™ flared up?

And just so it's clear in my mind, what exactly is your 'argument' for it not being news? Oh yeah, because news can only be about things that we can touch. To coin a phrase...'great argument'.

It's not about Bigfoot though. It's about the internecine squabbles of Bigfooters on the internet. Don't liken it to reporting Paris Hilton's movements, liken it to a paper printing 2 pages about what "ParisLover22" said to "ParisIsASlapper" on the "ILoveParis" forum, and you'll be in the right ballpark.

If it was even about a fight at and the implosion of a Bigfoot conference, I'd be less surprised to see it there. But that much of an article dedicated to an internet forum squabble about anything, let alone Bigfoot, is patently absurd.
'Patently absurd'? How, ummmmm uhhhh, so exactly? Internet squabble? Length of the article? Its existence period? Oh wait nevermind, I found it, that's just your opinion.

So anyway, are you saying Bigfooters and Bigfoot are not interrelated? Let's pretend you really are saying that (you're not, right? right?): Is Bigfoot the only subject there in that pile worth 'reporting' on and since it's supposedly not about Bigfoot it's...errr? I mean, being that silly Bigfooters are just people and people are never news-worthy? Wait, you mean that just Bigfooter people - and especially ones on the Internet - aren't news-worthy? BTW, did it occur to you that Bigfoot is in fact really and solely about Bigfooters? That they are actually, for all intents and purposes, one and the same? Probably not.

The 'reality' (that word again - whose meaning JREFitis™ often suppresses) is, and really, listen up all you 'news-worthiness' judges, news is as news does. What's not important to you might actually be important to somebody else. Unbelievable huh?! Ironically, and keeping more in line with the concept of 'honesty', I personally REALLY DON'T ******* CARE that 'this story' is or isn't 'news-worthy' - in my original original 'critique', I was mostly pointing out seeming hypocrisy - that one claiming something un-news-worthy simply because its basis was rooted on <gasp> the Internet is pretty numbskull-ish given that 'same one' apparently spends what I would deem an inordinate amount of time and energy embracing that same Internet i.e. 3,300 posts. Now, having contempt for the very things you embrace isn't a new concept, but don't be misled by thinking you won't have to ultimately answer for why that may be so.

Regardless, I'm now done addressing this stupidity. I did the best I could and yet I'm positive some of you still won't 'get it'. So please, have at it and argue amongst yourselves as to why you all should instead be the editor of The Anywhere Times-Tribune™.
 
In case you're interested, HarryHenderson, your use of the word "shill" told me I could stop reading your post whilst missing nothing of interest or value.
 
In case you're interested, HarryHenderson, your use of the word "shill" told me I could stop reading your post whilst missing nothing of interest or value.

See shill, hit \/.
 
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