Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Chris_Halkides]

you just can't trust the guy

Police did not need to disassemble it to look for blood; where on earth did you get that?

SNIP

All in all your arguments are easily punctured; what exctly are you trying to prove?

loverofzion,

Colonel Garofano of the Carabinieri thought that it was unfortunate that the knife was not disassembled. Of course, everyone knows he is FOA!

 

[Machiavelli]

The knife which you refer is not compatible with any of the wounds. Its possible it could have made ONE of the wounds on Merediths neck. Of course an axe, scalpel, pocket knife, smaller knife, piece of glass, or even a samurai sword could have made the same wound that you are referring to. So considering how many items could have made that wound I wouldn't call it compatible. However, it has been proven that its not compatible with the other 2 stab wounds.

The kitchen knife is not compatible with only one wound.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

which wounds

The kitchen knife is not compatible with only one wound.

Do you have a citation, and can you be very specific about the wounds which you feel are or are not compatible?

 

[Chris C]

The kitchen knife is not compatible with only one wound.

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Could you quote the person that testified to this?

 

[Katody Matrass]

holocaust? museum?

One interesting thing slipped unnoticed apparently:

She was photographed in the Holocaust museum

loverofzion, are you sure it was a Holocaust museum? Because I got a feeling you made this one up

 

[LondonJohn]

One interesting thing slipped unnoticed apparently:





loverofzion, are you sure it was a Holocaust museum? Because I got a feeling you made this one up

Interestingly, there doesn't appear to be a single Holocaust museum in Austria. There's a Holocaust memorial at the former Mauthausen concentration camp, with a small visitors' centre, but I suspect the museum in question may actually have been the Austrian War Museum. I might be wrong in that of course, but on the other hand it certainly seems to have suited some people's agendas for it to have been a Holocaust museum - and it's an idea which seems to have gained a lot of traction as a result.

 

[Solange305]

One interesting thing slipped unnoticed apparently:





loverofzion, are you sure it was a Holocaust museum? Because I got a feeling you made this one up

Oh, nice snarky comment with the little smiley face at the end. What tact!

I read something about a Holocause museum as well, if it is incorrect, perhaps it was an innocent mistake and not Loverofzion "making things up"?

Colonel Garofano of the Carabinieri thought that it was unfortunate that the knife was not disassembled. Of course, everyone knows he is FOA!

Are you referring to this Colonel Garofano?:

Colonel Garofano believed that it is likely that Raffale’s foot made the print on the blue bathmat

Im glad you seem to consider him a credible source! (see what I did there, snarky comment plus smiley face! Im fitting in more and more by the day!)

 

[loverofzion]

There is something in Raffaele's diary that helps explain the comment he made about the knife on November 18th. Here is what he wrote two days earlier:




This is without a doubt where Raffaele got the idea that he may have cooked with the knife in Meredith's presence -- Tiziano told him it was possible Amanda had borrowed the knife and taken it to her house. It's interesting to speculate on whether Raffaele would have come up with the cooking scenario had Tiziano not offered him the possibility.

Apparently, Tiziano also explained that, from a legal standpoint, Meridith's DNA doesn't prove she was murdered with the knife; it proves only that she had been around it. Tiziano, like some of us, seems to have been idealistic about the logic of the law being followed. Just as Amanda's DNA on the knife doesn't put her at the murder scene, Tiziano expected that Meredith's DNA on the knife wouldn't put the knife at the murder scene, either.

Especially when he considered that "...the knife could not have been the murder weapon, according to the legal doctor..."

It proves "only that she (Meredith) had been around it (knife)".
Having one's DNA embedded on the blade of a large kitchen knife is more than a little "been around it".

Again your arguments are specious.

 

[LondonJohn]

I am happy to point out that I made a mistake in saying there were 4 lay judges in the first trial of Knox and Sollecito - there were of course 6 of them, plus two professional judges, giving eight in total. Got my sixes and eights mixed up in my head there for a moment.

I'm sorry for any distress that my small calculation error may have caused anyone though. Maybe I should have a Stint at parsing my own posts before hitting "send" (although I do at least know what the word "parse" actually means with regard to linguistics.....).

 

[Kevin_Lowe]

I read something about a Holocause museum as well, if it is incorrect, perhaps it was an innocent mistake and not Loverofzion "making things up"?

We'll probably never track down the person who first made up the Holocaust museum meme. However everyone who cheerfully took it up and repeated it without checking their facts is equally culpable.

Do you think we could get away from race-baiting for a little while and discuss something important, like the time of death?

It still looks to me that every single bit of positive evidence indicates that Meredith died in the 21:05 to 22:00 period. Is there a single good reason to think that Meredith died any later than that, other than the fact that Amanda and Raffaele would be innocent if she died then?

 

[Supernaut]

Inquiring minds want to know! Can you couch it in flowery phrasing?

Heh. You mean, in code language? I suppose I could, but that wouldn't really accomplish much.

 

[Solange305]

We'll probably never track down the person who first made up the Holocaust museum meme. However everyone who cheerfully took it up and repeated it without checking their facts is equally culpable.

Does it really make a difference? The point was the picture and the posting she made. I dont think it makes much of a difference whether it was in an actual Holocaust museum or a regular museum and she was in an exhibit about the Holocaust.

Having said that, I could really care less about her posting. I dont think its that relevant personally, although I dont think bringing it up is akin to "race baiting".

 

[Solange305]

There is something in Raffaele's diary that helps explain the comment he made about the knife on November 18th.

This is without a doubt where Raffaele got the idea that he may have cooked with the knife in Meredith's presence -- Tiziano told him it was possible Amanda had borrowed the knife and taken it to her house. It's interesting to speculate on whether Raffaele would have come up with the cooking scenario had Tiziano not offered him the possibility.

Sorry Mary, that doesn't explain it. There is no reasonable explanation for it. By itself, it does not mean Raffaele is guilty. But it is a disturbing part of the puzzle, the whole big picture.

 

[Dan O.]

Here's an interesting thing about the broken window:

In Hendry's analysis of the way in which the window was broken, he makes the insightful observation that the condition in which the window was found is incompatible with a single impact from a blunt object. In windows of this sort, the pane is held in position round the edges with tack nails and putty. This essentially adheres the glass to the frame all around the edge.

Did Hendry have an opportunity to examine the actual window? From looking at the photos, I got the impression that whatever putty was on that window had long ago lost it's adhesion.

 

[LondonJohn]

Did Hendry have an opportunity to examine the actual window? From looking at the photos, I got the impression that whatever putty was on that window had long ago lost it's adhesion.

Well, between the putty and the tacks, there had to be a fairly decent degree of adhesion - otherwise the window glass would have fallen out of its own accord!

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Oh, nice snarky comment with the little smiley face at the end. What tact!

I read something about a Holocause museum as well, if it is incorrect, perhaps it was an innocent mistake and not Loverofzion "making things up"?



Are you referring to this Colonel Garofano?:



Im glad you seem to consider him a credible source! (see what I did there, snarky comment plus smiley face! Im fitting in more and more by the day!)

BTW, Garofano also noted the lack of reference footprints for Laura and Filomena.

So why wasn't the knife disassembled and checked for blood? Let's try to stay on topic.

 

[LondonJohn]

It proves "only that she (Meredith) had been around it (knife)".
Having one's DNA embedded on the blade of a large kitchen knife is more than a little "been around it".

Again your arguments are specious.

They weren't Mary's arguments - they were Tiziano's.

And you're also misinterpreting the argument. Tiziano was arguing that if Meredith's DNA were conclusively proven to be on the kitchen knife (from genuine primary contact rather than secondary/tertiary transfer or contamination), this would only serve to prove that Meredith had come into contact with that knife at some point. He argued that this didn't necessarily mean that this contact had occurred during the course of her murder - especially if the knife had been used in the girls' kitchen prior to the murder. It's a fairly narrow legal argument, but viable nonetheless.

 

[Matthew Best]

Heck, the Italian wikipedia has banned several sock puppets of a guy called "Fulcanelli" who keeps trying to use his sock puppet army to make sneaky edits to pages about Israel. I cite this purely as evidence that the Italian-speaking Zionist community has an active internet presence.

What a bizarre coincidence! We have a poster called "Fulcanelli" here, too. How embarrassing for him if he's accidentally chosen the same name as someone repeatedly banned from editing Wikipedia.

 

[Supernaut]

Or maybe this "unfathomable gratuitous vindictiveness" is simply accepting a court of law, 19 judges and a nearly year long trial.

Flowery words don't sway men of law.
You'd best come up with some hard evidence excuplating this convicted murderer.

.....

Actually, it ceased to be unfathomable to me a while back - I know EXACTLY what motivates the most vocal and 'pro-active' guilters (who in turn "inspire" legions of nit-witted hangers-on), what it is Amanda (allegedly) said or did to earn their undying hatred, and it has NOTHING to do with the death of Meredith Kercher. Politcal Correctness (and as a corrollory forum rules) precludes expanding any further (as if I haven't already well-and-truly crossed the line, LO-fricking-L).

 

[Danceme]

Hahaha are you sure about the veracity of those two sentences??

They were testified to in court. Are you sure about their falsehood?

Because you dont keep contamination logs, doesn't mean there is no contamination.

Huh!

Here's an interesting thing about the broken window:

In Hendry's analysis of the way in which the window was broken, he makes the insightful observation that the condition in which the window was found is incompatible with a single impact from a blunt object. In windows of this sort, the pane is held in position round the edges with tack nails and putty. This essentially adheres the glass to the frame all around the edge.

Consequently, when such a window is hit with a blunt object (e.g. a rock), the glass will break around the point of impact, but will typically remain in place around the edges, owing to the adhesion between the glass and the frame. However, in the case of Filomena's broken window, there is very little glass in place around the frame in the entire lower half of the window.

This therefore strongly implies that glass was manually removed (either pulled out or snapped off) all around the frame, after the initial rock impact. This is itself entirely consistent with an actual entry through this window, since the intruder would need to put his arm through the broken window to reach the latch, and it would therefore be logical for him to remove any jagged pieces of glass around the edges to avoid cuts or catching his clothing.

However, the obvious question is whether two scared, stoned stagers (ooh, I've caught Stint's alliteration bug!) would be so aware as to think through the staging to the extent that they removed the glass round the edges of the window? To me, it would take a significant amount of thought on behalf of potential stagers to realise that an actual intruder would have likely needed to perform this step. Given that we can assume that neither Knox nor Sollecito had any real-word experience of breaking and entering, I find it hard to see how this level of detail would have come to mind to them if they had indeed staged the break-in...

Did Hendry have an opportunity to examine the actual window? From looking at the photos, I got the impression that whatever putty was on that window had long ago lost it's adhesion.

Well, between the putty and the tacks, there had to be a fairly decent degree of adhesion - otherwise the window glass would have fallen out of its own accord!

It was an old wooden window. The putty was likely dried out in many places and the impact would probably have caused alot of it to fall out.