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Atheism behind bars

domna89

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I did some work with a small prison population in the US recently, in an education-oriented setting. During a group discussion, we raised the issue of religion in prison; inmates maintained that they were only partial to certain groups, i.e. Islam and evangelical Christianity, because these were the organizations that donated time and provided volunteers on a regular basis. They had a constant presence; no minority religions, let alone overtly secular, humanist or atheistic efforts, are represented by volunteer groups.

Personally, the missionary bent of certain faiths seems to cast the prison population as prime hunting ground for souls-in-need. But this seems a shame. While many of these young men identified a need for faith in their life, especially since their incarceration, the rationale they gave was based upon a need for a moral compass, hope, empowerment and a sense of direction. All things that, in my mind, can be provided by secular groups that focus on the study of philosophy, logic, humanism, etc.

Is there something like an atheist/humanist program that volunteers inside prisons? Do you believe this kind of program would provide inmates with the cognitive and social tools they claim to receive from religion?

I have the open opportunity to return to this facility and volunteer or teach a class of my own design in the future and was considering working with this idea. While the inmates have expressed an interest, I don't know how receptive the administrative bureaucracy would be...

Thoughts?

Edit: not sure if this belongs in the education sub-section instead?
 
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Religious groups are in prisons because they have a, literally, captive audience to which they can preach; most of which are low-hanging fruit and easy to convert. Heck, I've read that converting to Christianity often increases their chances of parole.

Atheism shouldn't stoop to the same behavior, since it's not a belief system and doesn't need to convert anyone. And there are plenty of secular outreach programs already. But the most important thing an Atheist/Bright/Pastafarian/whatever can do is campaign to reform the prisons so that they're focused on evidence-based methods for rehabilitating prisoners.
 
The problem is that, for these guys at least, the only outreach groups coming are evangelical Christians, the occasional Imam or rabbi. That's it. So they enter into these programs out of default, with no alternative. They are very curious about other belief systems or alternative ways of viewing the world (a surprisingly tolerant bunch, on the whole) but it seems these volunteers care more about souls than they care about minds.
 
Interesting. Reminds me of all those arguments where religious people claim God is essential for morality and the atheist responds with "So the only reason you're not a rapist is because you fear eternal damnation?" Looks like for some people, the answer is "yes."
 
Yeah, that goes back to the whole argument that if fear is what motivates you to display moral behavior, then you're not really a moral person.
 
I did some work with a small prison population in the US recently, in an education-oriented setting. During a group discussion, we raised the issue of religion in prison; inmates maintained that they were only partial to certain groups, i.e. Islam and evangelical Christianity, because these were the organizations that donated time and provided volunteers on a regular basis. They had a constant presence; no minority religions, let alone overtly secular, humanist or atheistic efforts, are represented by volunteer groups.

Personally, the missionary bent of certain faiths seems to cast the prison population as prime hunting ground for souls-in-need. But this seems a shame. While many of these young men identified a need for faith in their life, especially since their incarceration, the rationale they gave was based upon a need for a moral compass, hope, empowerment and a sense of direction. All things that, in my mind, can be provided by secular groups that focus on the study of philosophy, logic, humanism, etc.

Is there something like an atheist/humanist program that volunteers inside prisons? Do you believe this kind of program would provide inmates with the cognitive and social tools they claim to receive from religion?

I have the open opportunity to return to this facility and volunteer or teach a class of my own design in the future and was considering working with this idea. While the inmates have expressed an interest, I don't know how receptive the administrative bureaucracy would be...

Thoughts?

Edit: not sure if this belongs in the education sub-section instead?
I think this is an awesome idea! If I was you, instead of pushing the atheist card ( a lack of belief in a deity) I would teach them about secular humanism and being good for goodness sake. I don't know what your background is but these guys need coping skills which is something that religion offers.
 
I think this is an awesome idea! If I was you, instead of pushing the atheist card ( a lack of belief in a deity) I would teach them about secular humanism and being good for goodness sake. I don't know what your background is but these guys need coping skills which is something that religion offers.

That's what I was getting at. But I find it difficult to believe that nothing like this exists...?
 
Are prisoners allowed to surf the internet? Can they watch YouTube videos? Perhaps someone could suggest that they visit Dawkins' channel or website.
 
Religious groups are in prisons because they have a, literally, captive audience to which they can preach; most of which are low-hanging fruit and easy to convert. Heck, I've read that converting to Christianity often increases their chances of parole.
You almost get the cookie for a perfect answer, except you forgot to mention the most important part:

If the person rehabilitates, then it is the "religion" that saved him. More good publicity. If the person fails, then he wasn't really a worshiper and we shouldn't blame the program...


Atheism shouldn't stoop to the same behavior, since it's not a belief system and doesn't need to convert anyone.
It's not that there need to be a special atheist program, it's just that there needs to be a program that doesn't bring religion into it. Same as with the secular addiction programs.

And there are plenty of secular outreach programs already.
Can you name a few? I think that's what the op is looking for.

But the most important thing an Atheist/Bright/Pastafarian/whatever can do is campaign to reform the prisons so that they're focused on evidence-based methods for rehabilitating prisoners.
Is there such a way when a study can be conducted?
 
Are prisoners allowed to surf the internet? Can they watch YouTube videos? Perhaps someone could suggest that they visit Dawkins' channel or website.

Don't know about other places...but these guys don't have internet access. I believe I might be able to bring in a laptop and they do have access to TV and some newspapers. All material brought in has to be surveyed and okayed first, though.
 
Domna,

I don't think that "preaching atheism" will get anyone very far, or have much purpose. It will consist, essentially, of "Don't believe in God. There, I'm finished."

However, I'd see greater potential value in going there to give classes about Humanism. Humanism represents a clearly organized moral and ethical system (something that is valuable for people seeking to reform themselves, one of the reasons religion can be popular in prison), but without the need for a god. Not a "preaching" kind of thing, trying to convert people...but more of an informational seminar. You could start off with a few seminars talking about the roots of humanism; then present profiles of different famous humanists, and the work they've done; stuff like that, I'd think, would work fine.
 
That is a valid point...I suppose "preaching atheism" is something of a contradiction, anyhow.

Does anyone have any source or material suggestions?
 
That is a valid point...I suppose "preaching atheism" is something of a contradiction, anyhow.

Does anyone have any source or material suggestions?
Well, if you're interested in pursuing the Humanism angle, I'd suggest checking out the IHEU; even better, write to them and tell them what you want to do, they can probably refer you to some really good resources. I've found that they tend to be quite responsive and helpful.
 
Well, if you're interested in pursuing the Humanism angle, I'd suggest checking out the IHEU; even better, write to them and tell them what you want to do, they can probably refer you to some really good resources. I've found that they tend to be quite responsive and helpful.

Unitarians also do prison outreach programs.
 
Unitarianism is still theologically based, though...

I have an email to the IHEU in progress and will hopefully send it out by the weekend's close. I am a bit concerned about phrasing my eventual class proposal in a way that wont shut the wrong doors.
 
Atheism shouldn't stoop to the same behavior,

You lost me. Atheism shouldn't stoop to ministering to those demonstrably most in need of moral and ethical guidance and encouragement, benefiting not only the individual recipient but also society as a whole?

But the most important thing an Atheist/Bright/Pastafarian/whatever can do is campaign to reform the prisons so that they're focused on evidence-based methods for rehabilitating prisoners.

Your view of atheism seems to be that it should properly disregard forming personal relationships with other human beings; within which atheist values can be modeled, taught, and encouraged, in favor of designing an institutionalized social system that better approximates some ideal atheist state. Is this right?
 
IMHO, atheists tend to have real jobs. None of us is a preacher with 24/7 time to "convert". We do not have dedicated and paid "converters". This is a distinct disadvantage. So every voluntary effort is highly welcome and will probably make a difference. :hug2:thumbsup:
 
When I did volunteer work in hospital , and for the poor, back in the end of 80ies and start of the 90ies, I did not say I was an atheist. It did not even come in the conversation. I would bet that some of the volunteeer doing work in prison/hospital/charity are atheist, but nobody realize.
 
I would like to note an atheist organization (discussing atheism) should be allowed in under freedom of religion in the US. The Supreme Court has ruled that atheism is a religion insofar as it suffers the protections of freedom of religion, and not just speech.

So, in theory, any place a religion can penetrate, so, too, could an atheist "preacher". Or layperson :)
 

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