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single bullet theory is not true says Soily

But, Soily, if the backyard photos are proved to be fakes, then the whole case falls apart.

True, but I've never seen a particularly convincing case for it myself. The best argument I ever saw was from some guy who'd gotten a copy of the actual paper Oswald has in one of the photos and he seemed to show that the margins around the text were much bigger than in the photo, indicating the paper had been added afterward. But it was hardly conclusive.

To me, those photos clearly show a man playing the role of agent provocateur in some convoluted intelligence operation. He couldn't be trying harder than to project the image of a dangerous subversive commie bastard. But the fact the two papers he holds are ideologically opposite to each other would seem to show he was not a genuine commie. That Oswald at least thought he was playing this role seems to be beyond doubt, what with the aliases, microdots, minox spy cameras and his military intelligence background.

I'm also fascinated at the moment by the work of the late George Michael Evica. He was convinced Oswald was working for Senator Dodds covert investigation into the sale of firearms through the mail. Evica claimed to have two absolutely rock solid sources that Dodds committee ordered at least 1 firearm in 1963 under the name of Oswald or Hidell.
 
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This is both a huge series of false dilemmas and massive lapse into amnesia on your part. Since all of your physical evidence is either hopelessly tainted and suspect or showing the opposite of what you say it shows, the fact that the postal aspects of the case are also so suspect is just another blow to your simple minded 'a man, a gun, a corpse' argument which is what your case essentially boils down to.

No, all of the physical evidence is solid and untainted.

You can't prove Oswald fired the shots - evidence suggests he didn't.
You can't put Oswald on the 6th floor - evidence suggest he wasn't.
you can't prove your shot pattern - evidence suggest we haven't got a clue.
You can't prove CE399 had anything to do with the assassination - evidence suggests it didn't.
You can't prove any of the fragments in Connolly were anything to do with CE399 or Oswald - evidence suggests they weren't

And that's just 5 points out of dozens.

You like making these lists because you think it's impressive, I suppose, but 0+0+0+0...=0. Every point above is wrong.

It's simple. All physical and video evidence indicates three bullets came from above and behind Kennedy. What do we find above and behind Kennedy? A rifle with Oswald's fingerprints on it that matches a rifle ordered by Oswald, three spent shells from said rifle, and all recovered bullets and fragments match that rifle.

There's NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE suggesting any other scenario.

I also think that shifting between different areas of the case isn't very enlightening, so perhaps we could stick to one area at a time and debate that before moving onto another area? This thread is meant to be about the SBT!

The hell are you talking about? We're more than capable of responding to your vapid arguments as they appear. I didn't bring up the PO box, you did.
 
You can't prove Oswald fired the shots - evidence suggests he didn't.
The evidence has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oswald fired the shots.
You can't put Oswald on the 6th floor - evidence suggest he wasn't.
The evidence actually proves that he was on the sixth floor. Witness testimony is backed up by fingerprint evidence plus his rifle and bag.
you can't prove your shot pattern
All the evidence says that the one bullet caused the injuries that we, in fact, do see to Kennedy and Connolly
evidence suggest we haven't got a clue.
Well, ok, I'll give you and Fourbrick that one.
You can't prove CE399 had anything to do with the assassination - evidence suggests it didn't.
All of the evidence proves that that bullet did do the wounds found on Kennedy and Connolly, except for the Oswald's finishing shot to the back of Kennedy's head.
You can't prove any of the fragments in Connolly were anything to do with CE399 or Oswald - evidence suggests they weren't
Actually, all of the evidence says that that bullet is consistent with the wounds to Kennedy and Connolly and was definitively fired from Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano.
 
No, all of the physical evidence is solid and untainted.



You like making these lists because you think it's impressive, I suppose, but 0+0+0+0...=0. Every point above is wrong.

It's simple. All physical and video evidence indicates three bullets came from above and behind Kennedy. What do we find above and behind Kennedy? A rifle with Oswald's fingerprints on it that matches a rifle ordered by Oswald, three spent shells from said rifle, and all recovered bullets and fragments match that rifle.
Wooah wooah back up. The rifle did not have Oswald's fingerprints on. There no need to lie. If you want to accept the latter day evidence of LN researchers who used photos then fine, but then you also have to accept that Mac Wallace was in the snipers nest too. The rifle was dusted on the 22nd. Nothing was found on it. Several days later, after Oswald was dead, a partial palm print was found on it.
There's NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE suggesting any other scenario.
As explained several times, your pyscial evidence has completely fallen apart. You can't prove any of these things you say, you clearly don't have a grasp of the case because you keep saying things that are not true, and you're obviously just cutting and pasting everything from Bugliosi and macadams. Try expanding your horizons a little bit.


The hell are you talking about? We're more than capable of responding to your vapid arguments as they appear. I didn't bring up the PO box, you did.

If you're so certain, then you should be able to explain in detail on a subject by subject basis why you come to your conclusions. So Oswald fired a rifle that day did he? Whats the physical evidence for that then?

CE399 was fired at Kennedy and did those wounds did it? Whats the physical evidence for that then?

You haven't got any physical evidence for those things, and the more you look at each aspect of your case, the more obvious these hard facts you trumpet are in fact circular and circumstantial.
 
Sorry that your screen is such poor resolution. However the photos shown on my screen are sharp enough to see that all three show the gun straps are different to the one on the rifle shown by the Dallas Police department.

If you look at the first photo, it shows the bottom of the strap to be bent and thin. The strap shown in the police photo wouldn't bend like that.

The middle photo shows a very thin strap as against a wide strap shown by the police.

Ditto for the right picture.

My screen resolution is just fine. Those photos are too poorly lit to show enough detail to support the conclusions that you are making. I even tried to adjust the brightness and contrast to bring out more detail and it was not enough. You are seeing things that are not present in those photos. In other words, you are making stuff up.

Ranb
 
My screen resolution is just fine. Those photos are too poorly lit to show enough detail to support the conclusions that you are making. I even tried to adjust the brightness and contrast to bring out more detail and it was not enough. You are seeing things that are not present in those photos. In other words, you are making stuff up.

Ranb


They are quite distinct to me, and I'm not making anything up. They do say there are none so blind as those who cannot see.:)

So you say the photos are too indistinct. Others say that they don't matter because Oswald could have changed the gunstrap.

Should I take my pick on which is the right comeback?
 
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See any gunstrap?
 
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Wooah wooah back up. The rifle did not have Oswald's fingerprints on. There no need to lie. If you want to accept the latter day evidence of LN researchers who used photos then fine, but then you also have to accept that Mac Wallace was in the snipers nest too. The rifle was dusted on the 22nd. Nothing was found on it. Several days later, after Oswald was dead, a partial palm print was found on it.

For god's sake, do you understand how investigations work? This is such a ridiculous, trivial bunch of crap. The palm print was identified as Oswald's some days later, but it was taken before the rifle was turned over to the FBI by Lt. Day. He was told not to complete the investigation, but he had Oswald's print of file, so he made the connection.

As explained several times, your pyscial evidence has completely fallen apart. You can't prove any of these things you say, you clearly don't have a grasp of the case because you keep saying things that are not true, and you're obviously just cutting and pasting everything from Bugliosi and macadams. Try expanding your horizons a little bit.

You've said it's fallen apart, but all you have are spurious gripes about postal regulations and mangled witness accounts.

And after launching the idiot-genius theory of conspiracy, now we get the ad hominem against people providing solid evidence. Now you're doing the equivalent of bitching about NIST, "You trust the government."

These are old, tired tactics and even as an attempt to distract from the TOTAL LACK OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE indicating any scenario other than Oswald as the lone gunman, they fail.



If you're so certain, then you should be able to explain in detail on a subject by subject basis why you come to your conclusions. So Oswald fired a rifle that day did he? Whats the physical evidence for that then?

Again: video evidence shows bullets came from behind. The wounds can only be explained by a bullet coming from above and behind. The car was damaged in such a way and the blood spatter additionally indicated that the bullets came from above and behind.

Guess what's above and behind? A rifle and shell casings that match the bullets and fragments recovered that just happens to have a palm print from Lee Harvey Oswald, who, coincidentally, I'm sure, ordered that very rifle with an alias he consistently used and the forms were filled out in his handwriting.

And on top of that, THERE'S NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE SUGGESTING ANY OTHER SCENARIO.

CE399 was fired at Kennedy and did those wounds did it? Whats the physical evidence for that then?

The fact that the fragments in Connally match the chemical composition of the bullet. The fact that it was recovered from Connally's gurney (You still haven't explained how the bullet being found as it was would support any conspiracy theory). The fact that it was fired from the rifle that had Oswald's palm print on it that he ordered and had pictures of that were matched to a camera he owned.

You haven't got any physical evidence for those things, and the more you look at each aspect of your case, the more obvious these hard facts you trumpet are in fact circular and circumstantial.

You've assumed a conspiracy, without ever explaining what you think happened, and are randomly dismissing facts to suit that inchoate and infantile position.

You've wholly failed to dismiss any evidence suggesting it was Oswald and you've produced exactly zero to support any other scenario.

You're just JAQing it. A sweaty, furious, shameful JAQ session.
 
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They are quite distinct to me, and I'm not making anything up. They do say there are none so blind as those who cannot see.:)

So you say the photos are too indistinct. Others say that they don't matter because Oswald could have changed the gunstrap.

Should I take my pick on which is the right comeback?

You are absolutely fixated on this sling business. Why? Your hypothesis is that someone obtained an exact replica of Oswald's rifle, down to the serial number but got the sling wrong? That's more plausible than that he changed the sling? Really?
 
You are absolutely fixated on this sling business. Why? Your hypothesis is that someone obtained an exact replica of Oswald's rifle, down to the serial number but got the sling wrong? That's more plausible than that he changed the sling? Really?

You have to remember that the conspirators have magical powers when it comes to pulling off the crime, that's why I've always suspected Voldemort, but they're total idiots when it comes to the evidence they leave behind.

So amazingly talented that they could kill the president in front of hundreds of people and get away with, but so stupid they were foiled by a leather patch on a gunstrap and postal regulations.
 
You are absolutely fixated on this sling business. Why? Your hypothesis is that someone obtained an exact replica of Oswald's rifle, down to the serial number but got the sling wrong? That's more plausible than that he changed the sling? Really?

Not at all, but if it isn't the same rifle, ......
 
You have to remember that the conspirators have magical powers when it comes to pulling off the crime, that's why I've always suspected Voldemort, but they're total idiots when it comes to the evidence they leave behind.

So amazingly talented that they could kill the president in front of hundreds of people and get away with, but so stupid they were foiled by a leather patch on a gunstrap and postal regulations.

Nixon was stupid enough to tape all his conversations in the White House. There's clever.
 
Photographic expert Jack White studied these two photographs for two decades and testified before the House Select Committee. His conclusion is that the photographs are fakes. You obviously know better.
 

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